Precise slow value on Valhalla breastplate/helm

[Indalecia]

i've never really done the entire macroing in enmity+ for atonement. Probably should but I don't.

Either fix it or stop playing pld. It cant miss and stacking ENM on it is immediately noticeable.

[Yugl]

You would be sad too if someone used your face as a shield against Behemoth!

[Seraphus]

Either fix it or stop playing pld. It cant miss and stacking ENM on it is immediately noticeable.

I have to agree with Indy here.

I've done some normal tests on shit like T3 ZNMs, and on most of them I've noticed my first atonement being around 250-300 (I get TP very fast, I have a very solid Melee idle build w/ Joyeuse and use Dorado sushi more often than not).

Without enmity on the first atonement, the second one often resulted in 350-450, but With enmity (+50) on the first Atonement, the second Atonement would do over 600 (for me anyway)

The numbers will vary person-to-person, but I guarantee that if you do the full enmity swap on Atonement, you will notice it a lot.


Edit: Except Atonement can miss hi2u Angra Mainyu, Sprinkler-type mobs, etc

Also: For Clarification

My Melee Idle

[Indalecia]

>.>

It wont miss mobs that are 100% immune to magic damage.....during certain phases. Clarification, etc.

My idle gear is pretty close to yours. Don't have snip+1, but cuch's, pcc and askar head instead for other slots. Working on fort atm, still debating if I will use it over pcc anyway.

[Seraphus]

>.>

It wont miss mobs that are 100% immune to magic damage.....during certain phases. Clarification, etc.

My idle gear is pretty close to yours. Don't have snip+1, but cuch's, pcc and askar head instead for other slots. Working on fort atm, still debating if I will use it over pcc anyway.

Personal preference, etc.

I'm actually debating between getting a Cerb+1 or a Cuch

EDIT: OR IF I CAN AUGMENT MY FORAGERS WITH ACC+6 OMG!

[Raen Ryong]

Turban/PCC/Ethereal/Suppa
Hauby+1/Homam/Toreador's/Rajas
Cuchulain's/Swift/Homam/Homam

is my engaged melee idle set.

Ethereal is on in case I get hit by an AoE I prefer the hitrate/attack from Suppa over the DA on Brutal for Joyeuse. Rajas could be replaced with a second 7acc ring.

I swap like crazy on my Paladin for every action/situation and the results are amazing... I didn't swap that much when I first got into Paladin but now I do, it's like night and day.

[Seraphus]

I get to see my character model once in a while ;(

[Karbuncle]

Also a good thing to know, you can get Atonement to break the 750 Cap when you have "Circle" Effects up against their Monsters, like 820~DMG Atonement on Undead with the undead circle up!

[Ryuumaru]

This is off topic, and I apologize;

Just curious, and not trying to bash anyone, but this shit frustrates me sometimes:

But is it just me, or do all new PLDs think they can tank thanks to atonement? There's more to it than just making some cute accuracy builds and spamming flash and using atonement everytime you have 100 tp.

I know alot of old school PLDs that don't idle in haubs or snipers, and never miss a swing with 8/8 sword + sushi. Hell, I even know one who doesn't have atonement, but can keep up just fine; because he knows the ins and outs of hate and how to hit the cap

[Tsuko_Asura]

Cool story? Your friend is still contributing significantly less than people who aren't lazy.

[Seraphus]

Just curious, and not trying to bash anyone, but this shit frustrates me sometimes:

But is it just me, or do all new PLDs think they can tank thanks to atonement? There's more to it than just making some cute accuracy builds and spamming flash and using atonement everytime you have 100 tp.

Yes that does seem to be the attitude with new Paladins, however I'm not sure there's any "new" paladins posting in this thread. There's a little bit of a difference between being a "new paladin" who relies on atonement for hate and being a paladin that utilizes everything that's available to them.

I know alot of old school PLDs that don't idle in haubs or snipers, and never miss a swing with 8/8 sword + sushi.

Not only is that literally impossible, by both game mechanics and definition, but I'm going to come out and call you a dumbass for trying to say that Paladins can even coming close to capping their hit rate on anything not farming-related without at least a decent chunk of accuracy to throw on top of 8 sword merits and Sushi.

To me you just sound like a Paladin who hugs their hauteclaire, and probably fulltimes a Shadow mantle :/ sorry

[Ryuumaru]

Not only is that literally impossible, by both game mechanics and definition, but I'm going to come out and call you a dumbass for trying to say that Paladins can even coming close to capping their hit rate on anything not farming-related without at least a decent chunk of accuracy to throw on top of 8 sword merits and Sushi.

Okay, so let me change "NEVER" into "HARDLY" happy now cuntsack?
My point is, you don't need to equip your PLD like a DRK with a sword and shield to hit everything in the fucking game(I only seen and experienced it myself to work significantly well on things below a tier 4 znm). So I'm not saying It doesnt work; it even helps some people play and build hate faster, but it's not necessary, especially when the tank knows what he's doing.

There's a little bit of a difference between being a "new paladin" who relies on atonement for hate and being a paladin that utilizes everything that's available to them.

No shit. Any pre-atonement pld who's been around since the popularization of the NIN subjob can tell you that. Shut the fuck up already and get off the bandwagon.

To me you just sound like a Paladin who hugs their hauteclaire, and probably fulltimes a Shadow mantle :/ sorry

For the record, I don't cling to my hauteclaire. But I've probably had my hauteclaire longer than you have been a paladin, and it's certainly seen more HNM blood than you ever will/have in your entire FFXI lifetime. It should be common knowledge for any paladin to know what sword (assuming joy/haute or even mach+1) or builds to use on whatever NM or HNM.

I take it you use your joyeuse, haub, and snipers on Ixion too? Ohwait, have you ever even killed or tanked Ixion? Maybe you and your linkshell should just stop reading KI, and ZNM runs and actually go and engage in some real fights.

To me you sound like nothing more than a gimp, looking for any excuse to start a fight online because you're so butthurt over your shitty equipment and incompetent linkshell.

edit: Oh shit, didn't notice you were banned. Awesome. Dude, you're so fucking gangsta for still sticking around a forum for a videogame you were banned from to talk shit.

Have a bowl of ramen and go fuck yourself bro.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...superramen.jpg

(I think it's about time we revert the topic's attention back to Valhalla testing)

[Shinryuu]

If you want survivability, why not take a RDM? If you want damage, why not take SAMs or WARs? Either a fully tweaked PLD or meh. That said a fully tweaked PLD just doesn't die.

[Tsuko_Asura]

You do realize the derailing of this thread was a direct result if your own whining, yes?

[Tsuko_Asura]

If you want survivability, why not take a RDM? If you want damage, why not take SAMs or WARs? Either a fully tweaked PLD or meh. That said a fully tweaked PLD just doesn't die.

cuz hes been a pld for much longer than u bro

[Shinryuu]

Dammit!

In any case, I have a question. How can you make sure Slow% is not directly subtracted from Haste% but is calculated independently?

[Raen Ryong]

Okay, so let me change "NEVER" into "HARDLY" happy now cuntsack?
My point is, you don't need to equip your PLD like a DRK with a sword and shield to hit everything in the fucking game(I only seen and experienced it myself to work significantly well on things below a tier 4 znm).

Again, impossible. If you're not wearing accuracy gear, you're not going to hit 95% accuracy. If you are not at 95% accuracy, you will benefit from getting to 95% accuracy. Yes, you may land 70% or so of your hits, but there is still room for improvement.

So I'm not saying It doesnt work; it even helps some people play and build hate faster, but it's not necessary, especially when the tank knows what he's doing.

Most stuff in the game is not necessary. Most stuff can be tanked in full AF1. Doesn't mean that a PLD utilising it properly is not better than one who isn't.

But I've probably had my hauteclaire longer than you have been a paladin, and it's certainly seen more HNM blood than you ever will/have in your entire FFXI lifetime.

Killing HNMs doesn't make you cool, just saying.

I take it you use your joyeuse, haub, and snipers on Ixion too? Ohwait, have you ever even killed or tanked Ixion? Maybe you and your linkshell should just stop reading KI, and ZNM runs and actually go and engage in some real fights.

Yah, Ixion is definitely the majority of mobs.

To me you sound like nothing more than a gimp, looking for any excuse to start a fight online because you're so butthurt over your shitty equipment and incompetent linkshell.

You're the one starting the fight <_<

Sorry for responding just in an argumentative mood.

[Seraphus]

Okay, so let me change "NEVER" into "HARDLY" happy now cuntsack?
My point is, you don't need to equip your PLD like a DRK with a sword and shield to hit everything in the fucking game(I only seen and experienced it myself to work significantly well on things below a tier 4 znm). So I'm not saying It doesnt work; it even helps some people play and build hate faster, but it's not necessary, especially when the tank knows what he's doing.

No shit. Any pre-atonement pld who's been around since the popularization of the NIN subjob can tell you that. Shut the fuck up already and get off the bandwagon.

I remember the days of having to PLD/WAR tank Fafnir using an Aerial Armor rotation, do you?

For the record, I don't cling to my hauteclaire. But I've probably had my hauteclaire longer than you have been a paladin, and it's certainly seen more HNM blood than you ever will/have in your entire FFXI lifetime. It should be common knowledge for any paladin to know what sword (assuming joy/haute or even mach+1) or builds to use on whatever NM or HNM.

By all means, please show me where I have said that I melee idle for every little thing, you can say that you had your hauteclaire longer than I've been a Paladin all you want, but more power to you if you *did* somehow get your Hauteclaire in 2002.

I take it you use your joyeuse, haub, and snipers on Ixion too? Ohwait, have you ever even killed or tanked Ixion? Maybe you and your linkshell should just stop reading KI, and ZNM runs and actually go and engage in some real fights.

Taking it personal, much? LMAO

To me you sound like nothing more than a gimp, looking for any excuse to start a fight online because you're so butthurt over your shitty equipment and incompetent linkshell.

Man lol if my gear for Paladin is shitty, what the fuck would that say about your Paladin? At least I've been able to act as the lone Paladin at any event I've ever been at, and yes this does include Fafnir, Nidhogg, King Behemoth, Tiamat, Khimaira, Cerberus, Omega, Ultima etc etc etc.

If anything it says a lot about you that you'd think tanking anything in this game is even remotely challenging.

Have a bowl of ramen and go fuck yourself.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...superramen.jpg

k, go hug your haute some more

(I think it's about time we revert the topic's attention back to Valhalla testing)

Most intelligent thing you've said all thread, but way to derail it trying to bash other paladins and then run away with your tail between your legs in a attempt to put this thread back on track.

I don't care what the fuck gear you may or may not have, judging simply from your input and your attitude, you're already inferior to any other Paladin I know, even the ones who don't have homam and other high end gear.

[Ryuumaru]

I remember the days of having to PLD/WAR tank Fafnir using an Aerial Armor rotation, do you?

Yeah. In Koenig and Valor with a Terra staff, with the random WAR/WHM cotank. Good for you.

If anything it says a lot about you that you'd think tanking anything in this game is even remotely challenging.

It isn't. Solo tanking any of the above you mentioned in your original post is actually very simple. Our paladins do it all the time, and I'm pretty sure alot do server wide. You're not special at all buddy.

Most intelligent thing you've said all thread, but way to derail it trying to bash other paladins and then run away with your tail between your legs in a attempt to put this thread back on track.

I don't care what the fuck gear you may or may not have, judging simply from your input and your attitude, you're already inferior to any other Paladin I know, even the ones who don't have homam and other high end gear.

Ouch. I'm so hurt.

If you haven't noticed, in my first post, I specifically said I wasn't trying to bash anyone. I admit it was a smart ass question; but I wasn't expecting it to cause you to bleed from your anal cavity. If it's anyone with a shitty attitude, it's you. I've been on the defensive since you posted. :D

It is better to get shit back on track; I could sit here exchanging shit talk with you all day, while you try and think up more ways to attack someone online and make yourself appear like a paladin god.

[Seraphus]

Yeah. In Koenig and Valor with a Terra staff, with the random WAR/WHM cotank. Good for you.

It isn't. Solo tanking any of the above you mentioned in your original post is actually very simple. Our paladins do it all the time, and I'm pretty sure alot do server wide. You're not special at all buddy.

Thank you for invalidating every argument you made in your last post. :>

Ouch. I'm so hurt.

If you haven't noticed, in my first post, I specifically said I wasn't trying to bash anyone. I admit it was a smart ass question; but I wasn't expecting it to cause you to bleed from your anal cavity. If it's anyone with a shitty attitude, it's you. I've been on the defensive since you posted. :D

It is better to get shit back on track; I could sit here exchanging shit talk with you all day, while you try and think up more ways to attack someone online and make yourself appear like a paladin god.

You've been on an offensive because the first words out of your mouth made you look like such an idiot that it would make Unspeakable blush, and I never said I was a Paladin god, nor have I ever tried to present myself as one, but if what you type is what you seriously believe, I'm definitely head and shoulders above you as a Paladin.

Oh and Hint: Don't want people to attack you on BG, don't be a moron. It's kinda why advanced is called the shark tank.