Starting a Relic - Gungnir: Questions

[MeldityofGilgamesh]

Where would you full-time Zahak's as a TP piece? Like what specific situations have YOU done it with? Makes me curious as to when I could/couldn't use it full-timed.

Also, about full Ares's set: Is it worth it? Also, what kind of results have you seen from the Cuirass in TP/WSing? I'd not really seen myself in getting one, as I said my lack of a Salvage 100% static eludes me, but I've always wondered about full Ares's. I'd wanna try and get the Flanchard for sure as they are just bad-ass overall.

i full time it everywhere i go regardless of /sam or /war

ares set is worth it if you currently have gugnir, although i'm working on gugnir as well so im in the process of finishing my ares set(about 60m to go). it can be pretty fucking beast if your ls actually puts the time into putting you into brd/cor party while you are /war even on high end mobs.

on another note: sometimes ill drakes in zahak's instead of ares body with berserk on, although i can't tell whats better at this point. pretty mob dependant and situational as well.

of course you wouldn't tp in ares set however. sorry i keep editing my posts.

[Dathus]

i full time it everywhere i go regardless of /sam or /war

ares set is worth it if you currently have gugnir, although i'm working on gugnir as well so im in the process of finishing my ares set(about 60m to go). it can be pretty fucking beast if your ls actually puts the time into putting you into brd/cor party while you are /war even on high end mobs.

on another note: sometimes ill drakes in zahak's instead of ares body with berserk on, although i can't tell whats better at this point. pretty mob dependant and situational as well.

of course you wouldn't tp in ares set however. sorry i keep editing my posts.

Really? You find your ACC that reliable you can full-time Zahak's? Do you bring DRG to Einherjar, or anything else? I assume in spots where you can eat it, you do Carbonara? And yea, we've gotten into the mindset of BRD COR WHM DDx3 for most shit now, if we can spare it.

It's fine with the edits. I'm more curious as to how it stacks up overall. And I assumed Zahak's vs Ares's is situational. After leveling RDM and playing it in EG I've learned the saying "Situational gear is situationally situational, situationally" as my life blood.

[Thunder]

Your posts make my head hurt

You talked about PDIF but PDIF values aren't even known at the moment so you must be using wikis old page. And even there it shows you that regular melee hits cannot reach crit melee hits' cap.

Diminishing returns of DA...

as i said before, double attack dimishes over time and use as you stack it more. lets say you have 10%, adding another 1% will become more like 0.5%.

The increase in number of attacks from 0 to 1% DA is 1.01/1=1.01 or 1% more. The increase from 10% to 11% DA is 1.01/1.10=1.0918 or about 0.92% more.

[MeldityofGilgamesh]

Really? You find your ACC that reliable you can full-time Zahak's? Do you bring DRG to Einherjar, or anything else? I assume in spots where you can eat it, you do Carbonara? And yea, we've gotten into the mindset of BRD COR WHM DDx3 for most shit now, if we can spare it.

yeah i do all events on drg if not on pld. you get 7.5 accuracy from just wearing zahak's mail which is plentiful. i only use yellow curry buns for einherjar and for most events. however things like cerberus/khimaira/wyrms/dark ixion i use marinara pizza. as i tend to miss alot more on ws's without on those.

[MeldityofGilgamesh]

Your posts make my head hurt

You talked about PDIF but PDIF values aren't even known at the moment so you must be using wikis old page. And even there it shows you that regular melee hits cannot reach crit melee hits' cap.

Diminishing returns of DA...

The increase in number of attacks from 0 to 1% DA is 1.01/1=1.01 or 1% more. The increase from 10% to 11% DA is 1.01/1.10=1.0918 or about 0.92% more.

sorry i suppose 10% is a bad example, but you'll know more about what i mean as you stack it more. i don't really feel like doing a bunch of calc's dealing with pdif, you can do them yourself pretty easily. i gotta get going now ill be back later to help explain. but take some spreadsheets of everything you do, its pretty fun and enjoyable and you'll learn a bunch of shit.

[Thunder]

sorry i suppose 10% is a bad example, but you'll know more about what i mean as you stack it more. i don't really feel like doing a bunch of calc's dealing with pdif, you can do them yourself pretty easily. i gotta get going now ill be back later to help explain. but take some spreadsheets of everything you do, its pretty fun and enjoyable and you'll learn a bunch of shit.

I'm sorry but I don't think you should be giving people advice.

I, in all honesty, cannot come up with a response to all of this bullshit.

Just read and follow what other posters have said on the front page, Dathus.
Are you able to parse? You could make gear swap decisions on your own(doubt somebody's going to tell you what to wear on every other mob in einherjar and the different levels of HNM). Shouldn't ever melee in Zahak's mail, though.

Notable acc swaps should be forager's to cuch, blitz to toreador, askar/pole to homam/rose or ACP/pole, and the rest of your gear should be pretty static..

[Atoreis]

Meldity even if you use old Pdif from Wiki there is clearly stated that cap pdif for non crit is 2,4 for crit is 3,0. we dont know current Pdif caps ( but i think someone tested and was like 5% more so like 2,52 for non crit and 3,15 for crit) So even if Your Pdif is capped hit from Penta is still weaker then crit from Drakes.

[Shinryuu]

I don't think the OP should listen to MeldityofGilgamesh.

[Thunder]

I don't think the OP should listen to MeldityofGilgamesh.

This. Sucks that Meldity confused the OP so much thus far._.

[Chun Liroy]

/Agree

[Dathus]

Well if I shouldn't take his advice, how about you guys offer some opinions about the TP body pieces? ACP with ACC/sTP on it? Not gonna be interested in Askar once I get Aurum(I have deals with like, 3 ppl in my LS to insure I get one), and Ares's is more of a pipe dream without the Salvage shell, and my Assault group is taking a mini-hiatus.

[Chun Liroy]

I already expressed my opinion on the last page. In my opinion 2% DA> Aurum. Use that askar yo.

[Shinryuu]

Read the one post about body pieces I made

Askar really is better than Aurum if you have capped ACC. Close to cap, Aurum is better. Significantly less hitrate? Homam + Rose strap is your guy. Forget about Ares, unless you solo a fuckton. Don't worry about getting Askar now, just work towards it.

ACP body is a very nice overall piece for uncapped ACC but between Homam and Aurum and Askar it's not that needed, usually. It basically takes the place of Homam but does the job better. Then again, you shouldn't be at a low enough hitrate to warrant using Homam anyway.

A sidenote: if you're using a one-hit WS (e.g. not Drakes) use Aurum. Askar's store TP will fall short.

[Chun Liroy]

In addition to what Shinryuu said, ACP body makes you look gimp imo.

[Yugl]

Aurum in situations where you have uncapped ACC without body
Askar in situations where you have capped ACC without body
Ares in situations where you solo

Edit: Shin, with Rose Strap, you still need 1 more sTP to reach a true 6-hit Build.

[Chun Liroy]

Honestly, Ares's is only good for solo because of the vit :< refresh is worthless if you use ethereal (Seriously, this earring is godly for drg).

[Dathus]

Honestly, Ares's is only good for solo because of the vit :< refresh is worthless if you use ethereal (Seriously, this earring is godly for drg).

Yea I was assuming that's what it'd be for DRG styles, and I could just get the Ethereal. I've not picked up my Apoc Nigh earring since I've been too lazy to finish the quest. Plus I'm kinda debating on the Hollow Earring for part of my DEX build, as well as COR melee/Ranged TP

[Chun Liroy]

If you're into what dragoon can do like pushing the limits of solo etc. Ethereal is it, I got it and have never looked back.

[Yugl]

Honestly, Ares's is only good for solo because of the vit :< refresh is worthless if you use ethereal (Seriously, this earring is godly for drg).

It's good for situations where the mob attacks rapidly, but doesn't do enough DMG to trigger the Earring. Or at the very least it will make resting for fighting mobs that do less DMG less frequent. Ethereal is beastly for DRG though as stated.

[Argettio]

I think Argettio isn't very good with DEX today :D Zahak's has 7.5 ACC and potentially 5% critrate more. The 2 STR is way less of a factor. Aurum offers 15 attack, which matters on every DB hit that doesn't crit, basically.

Yep that's 2 failures to do X*0.75 in 1 thread...

Possibly time to quit this thread lol.