Elemental obis used defensively

[Jeryhn]

Err, maybe I have the obi wrong. lol

[orson]

This definitely not common knowledge but it's applications are somewhat unimportant unless it goes above the the -50% magic reduction. Even then most monsters that you're using a -% magic and MDB build for, use many different nukes so it's not really feasible to have a Sch constantly swapping weather for you. With monsters that use a single type of nuke you're better off just using a resist build. The only thing I can think of is that this might be useful if in fact comet/meteor are dark based and you plan your AV fights for lightsday so non-aegis tanks can use more MDB.

Good work discovering this and bringing it to more people's attention it'll definitely have some uses but the big thing now is for us to test to see if it surpasses the -50%. Obis are straight +% to nukes so it might be the same as that but depending on when it's factored in the equation, like if it's after -% magic and MDB, the damage reduced won't be that much but anything is better than nothing.

[Siniroth]

As with the other people in the thread, I agree with the speculation that it would break that cap because it's day/weather bonuses and those have always been seperate from everything else, does anyone have a way of easily testing this?

[orson]

As with the other people in the thread, I agree with the speculation that it would break that cap because it's day/weather bonuses and those have always been seperate from everything else, does anyone have a way of easily testing this?

It's really easy just doing the way the OP did using something like a Cor's shot but you need someone with -50% magic for testing damage and then add in the obi after to test to see if the damage still goes down.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Any bard with an Anrin Obi and a blue mage

Maiden's Virelai -> Colibri -> get charmed -> 1000 Needles

[Sifer]

weather is seprtae from - MDT. nowhere on obis does it say MDT-%. this doesnt need testing. All I can think of now is lol @ the person who claimed they tested this when it was suggested to use these in a defensive build around the time they were released.

[Sifer]

Any bard with an Anrin Obi and a blue mage

Maiden's Virelai -> Colibri -> get charmed -> 1000 Needles

what element is 1000 needles? im guessing none.

[Thunder]

You know.. just because a couple of people knew weather works for mobs as much as it does for players doesn't mean this was 'common knowledge'.

Look at all the people in the thread who thought this was mind blowing. Totally helped some people out. Stop being so mean to the OP.

[Kyte]

Any bard with an Anrin Obi and a blue mage

Maiden's Virelai -> Colibri -> get charmed -> 1000 Needles

I don't think that works. I've never heard of anyone resisting 1000 needle damage on darksday.

Additionally, unless said BRD has capped MDT, it wouldn't prove what needs to be verified.

[Cymmina]

I had read on another forum months ago as part of a SCH discussion where someone claimed they got double light bonus from cures when both the caster and recipient had light weather on. It didn't draw much interest, so I figured it must have been bogus... but it certainly sounds worth testing.

Most likely, no one really noticed before because areas that have permanent light weather have double light (Temenos, Nyzul Isle) and light weather is pretty rare otherwise.

[Tsuko_Asura]

what element is 1000 needles? im guessing none.

When coming from a blue mage, light

[Tsuko_Asura]

I don't think that works. I've never heard of anyone resisting 1000 needle damage on darksday.

Additionally, unless said BRD has capped MDT, it wouldn't prove what needs to be verified.

Well, toss in a scholar, and they'd only need 10% or so.

[shaddix]

lol i thought everyone who was saying they didn't know about it was trolling the op

[Kyte]

I've always wondered if it would work, but I've never actually tried to test it.

The OP actually did test it. So good for him.

[Thunder]

lol i thought everyone who was saying they didn't know about it was trolling the op

Reread with that in mind and I lold

But I think they were serious >.>

[Enygma55]

day/weather does not add any MDef or MAtk. Its a static 10% mod to the final dmg equation or where ever the day/weather bonus is added in.

From my experience day/weather proc rates rest somewhere around 10% of the time.

Obi does not add any MDef or MAtk either. It simply guarantees that the day/weather will proc 100% of the time.

Just trying to clear up any confusion how Obi's work.

[Nevex]

1000 Needles seems to have its own resist values.
Toying with it in Dynamis I've seen numbers such as 750, 815, 875, 900ish, but never 500 or 250. Even if it was caused by the weather some of those numbers are pretty off.

I'm not even sure if weather actually affects that spell since I've never seen 1k needles doing 1.1k damage in Lightday/weather without Convergence.
Since elemental staves don't affect it (damage) my guess is that weather/day don't either.

[Suiram]

Resist is either on or off with 1k needles, if you resist you see the same message as missing a physical spell. In fact, due to the extremely low accuracy I'd surmise that it's programmed to where anything that would be a 1/2, 1/4, or 1/8 resist for any other spell is a miss for 1k needles.

When you see lower numbers in dynamis, this is due to shell. Shell 4 makes it 781, Shell 3 makes it 812, and likewise a mob's native magic reduction (as with eyes and demons, for instance) will lower the damage. I'm pretty sure that day/weather has no effect on total damage (although probably does on accuracy).

[Hanyoko]

I seem to recall this being brought up ages ago with proto-ultima; having a sch use the dark storm to 'replace' the double light then as well use the obi to always gain the damage reduction.

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah, and go on Darksday if you can swing it. A potential +25% damage turns into a static -20%. Good deal. That's a huge damage swing, no one with reasonable HP/MDT/MDB would have to worry about being one-shotted anymore.

This could also be theoretically useful on things like Tiamat when flying, if you can hit the required fire resist without belt slot (20 resist) and have a Scholar in your tank party. It'd really only be for perfectionists, as no one else would care about the 2 damage per hit you'd shave off. Maybe you could bring a wind one along on Ouryu too if you lack a stone build and normally just MDT/MDB it.