Sonic the Hedgehog 4

[Zilong]

I spent most of my early video gaming days on sonic, but frankly I haven't had the desire to play any sonic game since I got a PSX

Ok I lied, I did want to play the DC sonic, but then my DC owning friend showed me just how fucking awesome Power Stone was

[Katlan]

I'm just wondering how Sega is going to fuck this up. Maybe have Sonic pilot a giant robot?

Your gonna team up w/ Robotnik to save the world and for 1/2 of the game your gonna have to play as Robotnik... but your really just gonna have to backtrack through the same lv's, just this time w/o taking the speed ramps since Robotnik can't [obviously] run that fast. This will be Sega's way to allow the player to experience the ENTIRE Sonic game & not just simulate a rail experience through the hands of Sonic.

Spoiler: show

But Robotnik will have 0 control scheme's since he lost all his robot-tech, and all you will be doing is jumping on mobs to kill them while cruising the lv at a speed of 8%+ (walk speed)

[Parshias]

Sonic developers don't know what makes a good Sonic game because bitchy Sonic fans don't know what makes a good Sonic game.

Spoiler: show

Its not speed.

[Franzer]

god personally i'm all about a genesis style sonic game again, just like when capcom decided to do mega man 9 in the old 8 bit style, i think this is a really good idea. Especially for the people of my generation who grew up on 8 bit and 16 bit consoles. As long as they dont have tails following you to just drop off the screen when you take the fuck off, hated that guy

[Cesaria]

Sonic should have died when he sold his soul to Nintendo... for those of us who grew up in the Mega Drive/SNES era it was like our childhood got sold out - evil blue traitor selling his soul to a dodgy plumber.

[Elcura]

As long as they dont have tails following you to just drop off the screen when you take the fuck off, hated that guy

Tails was a faggot during special stages (Sonic 2 mostly, sometimes in Sonic 3).

[Hiryo]

Just wondering, what Sonic games are you guys talking about that are so horrible that came out after Sonic and Knuckles?
Besides the Wii ones and 2006 Sonic(which isn't that bad, just very very hard to control unless you're insane at it)
I know the trend is to jump on the "I hate sonic games except the ones i played when I was a little kid and I basically loved any game I played back then. I'll still play those new marios cause that shit is boss as hell." But I'm curious as to what other games besides the ones above(which are ACTUALLY terrible. Wiggle the remote while i autorun? That sounds awesome)

Let me try to set up a timeline or something(inc wall lol)

Sonic CD - cousin owned a sega cd and saturn so I got to see this when i was 7. Basically the next step up from the original, nothing wrong with it.

Sonic Spinball - pinball game with some hard(when i was a kid) bosses. I got to the last level so many times and never ever beat it. Not a traditional sonic style game though so I don't think it should be used in this

Robotnik Bean Machine - bustamove/dr.mario/allthoseothergamesthatarejustlikethis clone. see above

Knuckles Chaotix - who didn't like this? lol

Sonic 3d Blast - Fun for me, idk about you. Not many games like this back in 1996 but I guess if your'e still playing megaman and other '96 sequel games I can see why someone wouldn't like it

Sonic Adventure - Sonic game with a story. Don't like story? guess you wouldn't like it. Don't like the controls? It's 1998(i think?). Also it wasn't that hard in my opinion to play it, but I guess it could be hard for some people. And camera issues? Every game had camera issues, and what in the world do you need to see so badly in the game anyway? lol

Shuffle - Party clone, see spinball

Advance games - advanced versions of the originals pretty much. Didn't like the first 3 sonics? You probably didn't like this either. Tired of games made like the originals(yet you play any other game like its original)? You probably didn't like this either. I honestly think they were just made to milk money off of people. I personally didn't think they were bad though.

Sonic Adventure 2 - lot of people say they don't like this game. Why? I don't know. Maybe something about a camera idk. People who didn't like SA1 probably wouldn't like SA2 either because of its controls, the characters, story, acting, etc

Sonic Heroes - Okay this may be the first actual bad one. It wasn't unplayable or had a bad gimmick, I just found it a little boring. Kind of interesting to swap characters to get to where you want to go, kind of like another game I can't think of right now...

Shadow the Hedgehog - Never played it. Terrible reviews. Vehicles looked terrible, but I'm not sure if i should just give it spinball status or not. If so then the game is disregarded, if not then I guess this is the first -truly- bad sonic game. Wonder if anyone here as actually played it.

Sonic '06 - Lot of people hate it. I tried it, game is borderline unplayable because of its controls imo. BUT, that's because I sucked ass at playing it. I watched people who were good at it though, and could get S ranks on speed trials and THEY seemed to like it a lot. So I'm assuming people who were bad like me at the game don't like it.

Secret Rings - Interesting story to me, some people hate it. Game was a bit boring but its on the Wii so lol (Yeah I have a wii too <.<)

Sonic DS games All good imo. Story is a bit silly and forced but the gameplay is a lot of fun to me. I suppose if someone was bad at R-buttoning or don't like 2d Sonics(or only like the ones they played when they were 7 years old) then they wouldn't like them.

Unleashed - Imo fantastic game. Lot of people hate it. Lot of people who hate it didn't try it. Night time play was mediocre(imo because of the lack of music and overly-smoothed graphics, aka me falling asleep). Sun mode time trials = the most fun I've had in a while

Black Knight - Tried it. 100% garbage to me. Not because of the story or the concept(which I think were very good), but because the gameplay was very very bad. Autorun + wiggle remote + jump every now and then =/= fun(but then again i don't expect much out of my wii games.)


tl;dr:
For those who say all games were bad after XX sonic game, is there any reason why that is? And did you actually play the games that you think were bad?

[Hiryo]

And yeah I will probably be playing this. Of course I always leave room for disappointment nowadays but I'm sure I'll have fun as long as it's got plenty of challenge modes.

[Elcura]

Sonic games are bad. Shitty camera, poor hit detection and homing fuck ups? I can deal with all that when it comes to playing Sonic and going through his levels (which are fun), but then it turns attention to the new characters and the game play quality drops drastically. While I personally like Knuckles, Tails and Shadow (if only for being a cooler Sonic), I don't like playing as them except for times when their game play is just like Sonic's.

Most if not all 3D Sonic games suffer from some shitty mechanic. Add that with terrible characters, dialogue, story, level design and you got some bad games. Not to say I haven't played most of what's on that list and the 2D Sonic games aren't all bad.

[BRP]

I've started to figure that all Sonic games were overrated. Only the bosses seemed like any fun and less than half of them.

I am actually curious to see what would happen if they made a "classic" sonic game, but without the catchy tunes. Which is the stronger brand of bullshit? The potent nostalgia of old games or the mindlessly accepted stigma of new games?

[Hiryo]

Sonic games are bad. Shitty camera, poor hit detection and homing fuck ups? I can deal with all that when it comes to playing Sonic and going through his levels (which are fun), but then it turns attention to the new characters and the game play quality drops drastically. While I personally like Knuckles, Tails and Shadow (if only for being a cooler Sonic), I don't like playing as them except for times when their game play is just like Sonic's.

Most if not all 3D Sonic games suffer from some shitty mechanic. Add that with terrible characters, dialogue, story, level design and you got some bad games. Not to say I haven't played most of what's on that list and the 2D Sonic games aren't all bad.

Well it's nice to hear someone's actual gripes about something they don't like. I've never had a camera be so bad where a game is unplayable, but I can understand not liking other characters. I can see why you wouldnt like Tails/Eggman in SA2(autofalling into holes sucks) or Silver in '06(unless youre going for S-ranks, his levels are really slow) but personally I wouldn't throw away the entire game because I don't like all of it's characters(is there any game where someone likes all of it's playable characters?)

Which is the stronger brand of bullshit? The potent nostalgia of old games or the mindlessly accepted stigma of new games?

And yet people still go apeshit over new/re-releases of old characters when it comes to other games and they get 9/10 reviews. Not sure why that is but i personally find most of them boring (cept that windwaker, shits hot)

[Elcura]

Well it's nice to hear someone's actual gripes about something they don't like. I've never had a camera be so bad where a game is unplayable, but I can understand not liking other characters. I can see why you wouldnt like Tails/Eggman in SA2(autofalling into holes sucks) or Silver in '06(unless youre going for S-ranks, his levels are really slow) but personally I wouldn't throw away the entire game because I don't like all of it's characters(is there any game where someone likes all of it's playable characters?)

Most of the characters don't add anything to the story. It's just a case of x character getting Sonic closer to his goal (omg stop Eggman! Except when he's on your side), which makes the characters mere stepping stones and they don't gain anything. If Tails were to die in a game I wouldn't feel jack shit even though he's been a main character for over 10 years. Fewer characters means that each one should be more important, I fail to see what Amy, Cream or Big add to the story. Sonic Heroes nearly had this right, but god that game sucked.

The best story for me was probably SA2 (final route Biolizard ftw). Shadow was actually a decent character and his rivalry with Sonic was acceptable (especially their last fight).

[byte]

Sonic may have been the Sega mascot long ago, but it's lost it's appeal since they have failed to make a worth while 3D game out of the franchise.

I thought SA1 was a great game. Amazing for its time and tons of replay value also.

[Draylo]

Is that the RPG type sonic game? If it is that game was awesome imo.

[Priran]

Is that the RPG type sonic game? If it is that game was awesome imo.

sonic adventure was the first one on dreamcast in 3D. it had like 8 playable characters, and you HAD to play all of them to beat the game, shit was ridiculous. big the cat made me hate sega.

[Alina]

Froggy!

[Draylo]

Yeah that was the only sonic game I liked, was a lot of fun.

[Kaylia]

I played sonic game on emulator years after everyone. They were definitively not the worst platformer, but I didn't find them interesting.

[Guitarman]

tl;dr:
For those who say all games were bad after XX sonic game, is there any reason why that is? And did you actually play the games that you think were bad?

Amy.

[Thulius]

Sonic Adventure, Sonic Heroes and Sonic 06 are the only ones in the main series that I thought were really bad. Good for it's time or not, I tried playing Adventure again recently and it was unbearable. Sonic and Tails are the only characters worth playing and that only makes up about 1/3 of the game. Even then the camera is horrible and I fell through the ground on more than one occasion. Don't even get me started on Big's stages.

06 was just bad, I'm not going to go into it.

Heroes is playable, but eh... The character switching isn't too bad and flows decently when you get the hang of it, but the problem is the flight/power characters aren't fun to play at all. They exist purely to get past hindrances that wouldn't be there otherwise. One of the worst in the series I think, but I wouldn't rank it as low as the other two.

It's been a long time since I've played SA2 but I remember liking it well enough. The chao garden probably had more to do with that than the actual game, though. Unleashed is definitely a step in the right direction. The werehog needed more polish, but with that polish I think it would've been significantly more well-received than it was.

Really though, the 2D sonic games are overrated. The stage design was good, and the sense of speed was unmatched as far as platformers go. I liked the fact that there were multiple "main" paths for pretty much every stage. Aside from that, they don't have much going for them but nostalgia and impressive (for the time) visuals.

I don't think the series has declined as rapidly as people like to believe, but it's definitely declined.