The Hyperinflation of 2010

[Dooom]

When was the last time there was an update with a "must-have" high gil item?

Depends on your idea of "must-have", but that Sandworm drops can be sold is surely worthy of note in this context. And let's not forget the newbies (who do exist!) needing their hauby/vermy/PCC/SH/snipers/whatever and finding the task of making money pretty damn daunting, and 1mil would probably cover most of those essentials. Or even just the high-end player getting enough money to finish off his relic or K-club fund or whatever; doubt they'd RMT the whole thing, but a few mil here seems plausable.

Kira is justice v2 plz.

If only such a day would come

[Tsuko_Asura]

I suspect a few people that still buy gil and although I've never gotten the concept of spending real money for virtual goods, I still hold out hope that one day these companies release a customer list dating back to 2004.

Kira is justice v2 plz.

I addressed this just a few posts ago, if you'd care to understand it more clearly.

[Mizango]

I assumed you weren't talking from gil buying experience. I want to hear from people that actually spend hundreds of dollars of fake shit.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I assumed you weren't talking from gil buying experience. I want to hear from people that actually spend hundreds of dollars of fake shit.

Well I'd think it'd be one of three scenarios:

1) See my post

2) Inability to make in-game money while real-life money is readily available

3) Inability to make in-game money while real-life money isn't readily available, but addiction to the game overrules common sense

[ringthree]

Illegal based on Square's point of view, which is not only skewed in most aspects of the game, but is ignored by most of the playerbase in several other ways.

No, illegal as in illegal. The fact that the player base ignores it (and I also disagree with this statement) has nothing to do with the legality which was exactly my point.

[ringthree]

Depends on your idea of "must-have", but that Sandworm drops can be sold is surely worthy of note in this context. And let's not forget the newbies (who do exist!) needing their hauby/vermy/PCC/SH/snipers/whatever and finding the task of making money pretty damn daunting, and 1mil would probably cover most of those essentials. Or even just the high-end player getting enough money to finish off his relic or K-club fund or whatever; doubt they'd RMT the whole thing, but a few mil here seems plausable.

I have no doubt those situations exist but they always exist and would be more stable and constant. They really wouldn't effect the price of gil one way or another. I think Ixion and Sandworm were added in the same update, but I might be remembering that incorrectly. Either way it was quite a long time ago (at very least a half year). Without a new "must-have" like Ixion's Cloak it might mean there has been less need for more gil buying.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Oh, buying gil is illegal? News to me. My bad.

Though I'm going to have to ask for an explanation regarding why you disagree with most of the playerbase not really giving a damn what Square thinks in regard to one issue or another.

[Thorny]

No, illegal as in illegal. The fact that the player base ignores it (and I also disagree with this statement) has nothing to do with the legality which was exactly my point.

Feel free to uninstall windower and plugins and start using SE's windowed mode based on principle then.

[ringthree]

Oh, buying gil is illegal? News to me. My bad.

Though I'm going to have to ask for an explanation regarding why you disagree with most of the playerbase not really giving a damn what Square thinks in regard to one issue or another.

Yes, buying and selling gil (or currency in any game that does not specifically allow it) is illegal.

I am sure this is based on personal experience for both of us, but gil buying or selling is shunned and rejected by everyone I know. I don't know anyone that openly admits to gil-buying, and I think there is a reason for it. If people didn't care, then the people that do buy gil wouldn't hide or deny it, right?

[Tsuko_Asura]

Most of the taboos in this game have no logical basis(Read: Getting a relic weapon before 100% perfect gear).

Like I said, if buying gil was safer and less likely to get me banned(and apparently less illegal?), I'd do it without any denial.

[ringthree]

Feel free to uninstall windower and plugins and start using SE's windowed mode based on principle then.

I am not saying illegal as in against the rules of whatever agreement we have with SE. I mean illegal as in against the law. Violating the ToS doesn't mean you are violating any laws, necessarily. Though you can violate the ToS and violate the law, but that is not the case with windower and things like that.

Though, I do get what you are trying to say. But to counter it, I don't think any says to themselves "Alright, now that I am using windower, I might as well buy gil".

[ringthree]

Most of the taboos in this game have no logical basis(Read: Getting a relic weapon before 100% perfect gear).

Like I said, if buying gil was safer and less likely to get me banned(and apparently less illegal?), I'd do it without any denial.

I definitely agree with the idea of your first statement, people have random ass taboos for no reason and some of them are stupid.

Even if buying gil was safer and less likely to get me banned, I still wouldn't do it and I wouldn't play with anyone that did if I knew about it. But that's a personal thing really, to each their own.

[wop]

Need we go through this again.

Buy Gils is RMT
Sell Abjs is RMT
RMT is NOT OK

Everything Ringthree does, A-OKAY
If you stand by your principal so much, pop FF10 into your ps2 and interact with NPC's. That way, there's no cheating.

[Calintzpso]

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...icghost280.jpg

"In the year 2010, during the Hyperinflation of MMO's, the Grand Chicken Council issues all out war on the Rebel Meat Tofu lovers(RMT) lead by General Cluck-for-a-Buck."

I was bored.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Need we go through this again.

Buy Gils is RMT
Sell Abjs is RMT
RMT is NOT OK

Everything Ringthree does, A-OKAY
If you stand by your principal so much, pop FF10 into your ps2 and interact with NPC's. That way, there's no cheating.

Shit just got real in here

[Mizango]

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...icghost280.jpg

"In the year 2010, during the Hyperinflation of MMO's, the Grand Chicken Council issues all out war on the Rebel Meat Tofu lovers(RMT) lead by General Cluck-for-a-Buck."

I was bored.

LOL. You are my hero.

[drwaffles]

I have to disagree strongly on buying gil being an ok thing to do, and I think it's wrong to draw parallels between that and, say, paying for FFXIApp (thereby indirectly increasing your gil-making capabilities), paying huge monthly subscription fees in order to garden on dozens of characters and so on. Why? Because doing either of those doesn't remove any and all challenge from the game when it comes to making gil. Being able to browse the internet for three hours instead of keeping your eyes glued to your FFXI window during NM camps or making gil by keeping up with fifty gardening mules across several accounts are in no way comparable to ordering tens of millions of gil off a website and thus creating a situation for yourself in which the only thing you need to do in-game in order to make as much gil as you like is to run to the pickup location.

Maybe it's simply me being idealistic, but I think that when people intertwine their real and online lives in such a fashion it's downright sad. It's not a case of jealousy - that argument's always been laughable; even if I was rolling in cash I wouldn't buy gil. Why would I want to remove all challenge and purpose from the game? Again, I expect parallels to be drawn between App or Windower, but to say that those two are in any way on the same level as acquiring up to a year's worth of gil with a virtual card swipe is ridiculous. I guess you could say I'm limiting this to only the big-time oil prince gilbuyers here, but on a smaller scale it's still the same idea - you're cheapening the game for yourself and everyone you associate with by doing it, far moreso than someone who bots or someone who uses fillmode to navigate Nyzul.

I'm tolerant of pretty much any shit people do in XI, but I'll never associate with gilbuyers.

[Bugpop]

Yes, buying and selling gil (or currency in any game that does not specifically allow it) is illegal.

I am sure this is based on personal experience for both of us, but gil buying or selling is shunned and rejected by everyone I know. I don't know anyone that openly admits to gil-buying, and I think there is a reason for it. If people didn't care, then the people that do buy gil wouldn't hide or deny it, right?

There is no law [in the US] that prohibits the exchange of legal tender for virtual goods.

There is a certain expectation in the game to have certain equipment by certain levels in order to be an effective player. Who are disliked more? People who buy their gil or people who are gimp?

[Tsuko_Asura]

@Waffles

You know I love you, but my parallels are perfectly logical. Behind the two paragraphs, your entire argument is based on the fact that you personally believe that the game becomes too easy when someone buys gil. The effects that this has on my game-play are minimal to nonexistent, and therefor I could care less if the guy next to me just bought his way into an Armada Hauberk.

[Thorny]

Join a kings ls and afk for 3 hours a day at aery with app running until you get a free ebody

buy gil and afk for 3 hours a day at aery with a seacom to buy abj until you get an ebody

main difference is that one of them costs drastically more.. while not all things can be gotten as easily via botting there are quite a few opportunities to make large amounts of gil while afk through app's features