A message on healthcare that reaches out to conservatives in a way they understand

[Leif]

How?

Lower taxes and less welfare is a great place to start.

[Rhinox]

AHAHAHAHA

Tell me are they suppose to invest what they will save in 'lower taxes' in say.... the stock market? or are they suppose to start get a bank to invest in a business for them?

Because neither of those would work.

[Leif]

Again, contrary to liberal belief, welfare is not "helping people when they need it the most". It is permanent support.

If people are told "Hey, if you're poor, all will be okay. You can stay on welfare!" they will have no motivation to go to school, get a job, etc etc.

I would think such concepts would be obvious. Why get a job when you can sit around all day on welfare? You may make less, but hey, you don't have to work 40 hours a week either.

[Leif]

Tell me are they suppose to invest what they will save in 'lower taxes' in say.... the stock market? or are they suppose to start get a bank to invest in a business for them?

Because neither of those would work.

Wait, what?

You want want everybody to have the money to invest in a business? Haha. I mean, seriously?

[Rhinox]

You offer no solution as to how tax breaks help the poor.

Btw have you been on welfare? Do you know how little it actually is? I don't know anyone that know anyone that strive to live on welfare.

So what you're saying is Being poor is acceptable because of motivational tools? awesome fucking logic. I'm sure the Millions of homeless and Poor are equally educated as say a holsum white upper middle-class family from Schaumberg right? They both have the same opportunities right?

[Rhinox]

Wait, what?

You want want everybody to have the money to invest in a business? Haha. I mean, seriously?

No this is your solution. What would these poor people do in your world with say a few hundreds they would save from lower tax cuts.

[Leif]

You offer no solution as to how tax breaks help the poor.

They send a message: Get a job or else. At the same time, when those people actually accomplish something (thanks, welfare!) they won't have to give half of it to the government.

Btw have you been on welfare?

Clearly, I haven't.

So what you're saying is Being poor is acceptable because of motivational tools?

Sort of, you didn't really understand the point.

I'm sure the Millions of homeless and Poor are equally educated as say a holsum white upper middle-class family from Schaumberg right? They both have the same opportunities right?

Thanks to liberals, the gap between failure and success is bigger and bigger.

[Leif]

No this is your solution. What would these poor people do in your world with say a few hundreds they would save from lower tax cuts.

The point is, they wouldn't be poor anymore.

[Rhinox]

They send a message: Get a job or else. At the same time, when those people actually accomplish something (thanks, welfare!) they won't have to give half of it to the government.

or else what?

Clearly, I haven't.

Then you need to shut the fuck about it already.

Sort of, you didn't really understand the point.

WHATS THE POINT I'M TRYING TO DECYPHIER YOUR RETARDED LANGUAGE HERE HELP ME OUT

Thanks to liberals, the gap between failure and success is bigger and bigger.

Aside from the logic of saying being poor is a motivational tool how exactly have liberals made the gap bigger?

[Rhinox]

The point is, they wouldn't be poor anymore.

A few hundred dollar would make them not poor anymore?


Ahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahha

[Darus Grey]

You offer no solution as to how tax breaks help the poor.

Btw have you been on welfare? Do you know how little it actually is? I don't know anyone that know anyone that strive to live on welfare.

So what you're saying is Being poor is acceptable because of motivational tools? awesome fucking logic. I'm sure the Millions of homeless and Poor are equally educated as say a holsum white upper middle-class family from Schaumberg right? They both have the same opportunities right?

Reality is that money spent on welfare is the second most efficient use of tax dollars behind infrastructure spending. In terms of return on investment, in that every dollar spent on welfare returns $1.34 in additional tax dollars helping that person get back to leading a productive life.

Welfare is actually under-funded because people can't wrap their minds around the concept, and because conservatives bring up the welfare queen boogeyman at every opportunity.

For every "Queen" there's 99 people to whom welfare helped, in to avoid becoming destitute and give them the time needed to reconstruct their lives when all their social support networks failed them.

Also Leif needs to bone up on his troll material, or else he'd know there's a time limit on how long you can receive welfare over your entire life(around 6 years, not all at once). It's impossible to stay on welfare forever.

Know who pushed that through? Clinton.

[Rhinox]

Btw Those damn liberals in India and Africa are keeping the poor there even poorer with all them tax hikes to pay for the massive welfare programs they have going on there right?

[Rhinox]

While you consult with Askheritage.org I'm gonna take a shower and go out. ttyl frankenbeans

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

It's impossible to stay on welfare forever.

Know who pushed that through? Clinton.

Know who reversed it? Obama.

And when rich pricks can go out and buy their third Beamer because they have more money from tax breaks, who do you think that helps Rhino?

And define "efficient" DG. Also, it's not 1 queen for every 99, it's 1 legit for 99 queens.

[Melchiah]

Know who reversed it? Obama.

And when rich pricks can go out and buy their third Beamer because they have more money from tax breaks, who do you think that helps Rhino?

And define "efficient" DG. Also, it's not 1 queen for every 99, it's 1 legit for 99 queens.

Neither of you have provided any solid evidence comparing the numbers of welfare queens versus legitimate individuals needing the temporary help, so the point is moot for the time being.

Swamp, Lief, I understand that tax cuts would be helpful, but what I want you ultra-cons to finally come to the table and admit is the following:

Tax cuts to big business will do NOTHING to create jobs in America unless there is legislation passed that helps create a competitive job market in the US.

Example: I own a large manufacturing company, Melchiah's Widgets, INC. I have determined upon reviewing my books that I can increase my stockholder's returns by closing my American Widget factories and moving them to India, due to a number of factors such as no EPA or OSHA standards to comply with, lower standard of living and thus much much lower wages I have to pay out, and the fact that I'm not having to pay large amounts of tariffs on my goods when I ship them to Wal-Mart to be sold.

My total overhead in making my widgets in India, including wages, employee benefits, shipping costs and local taxes is lower than my overhead was in America, when I paid American workers, American taxes, and didn't have to ship my widgets overseas to be sold.

Now, if Congress gives me a tax break, and doesn't change anything else, the situation hasn't changed at all, unless my tax break is substantial enough to tip the overhead balance back to optimum profit in America. I will, like any other smart person, put that tax break in mine and my shareholder's pockets, and continue making my widgets in India.

Creating jobs in America is as simple as this: In a greed-driven system, everything follows optimum profitability. It must become more profitable to the shareholders to pay American workers in American factories than to pay foreign workers and overseas shipping, otherwise no jobs will get created.

You conservatives really need to stop dancing around this point and actually address it, instead of regurgitating the same old party line of "Tax breaks for the businessman will solve everything!" It's like the fucking organizational chart of the Underpants Gnomes:

Step 1: Tax cuts for big business!
Step 2: ???
Step 3: New Jobs!

There's a logic gap there boys, you need to work on that and get back to me on it.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

I don't think anyone has ever said "tax breaks is the only we need to do in order to improve the economy."

[Melchiah]

By giving them the opportunity to succeed as opposed to being trapped in the quicksands of welfare?


Contrary to liberal belief, there is room in America for everyone to be wealthy. Governments (or liberals), however, are unable provide that wealth.

This is the most idiotic statement I've ever read.

Everyone cannot be wealthy. Period, end of discussion.

Our society can not exist if everyone was a college educated professional.

Who will build our roads and buildings? Who will sweep our streets? Who will prepare our food? I can name hundreds of bottom tier jobs that we cannot function without, and all of them are minimum wage or slightly better.

Don't ever fool yourself into thinking we can be a society of nothing but college educated professionals making $200K per year and up, it just can't happen unless we start paying garbage men and street sweepers the same as we do educated professionals.

[Beckwin]

Don't ever fool yourself into thinking we can be a society of nothing but college educated professionals making $200K per year and up, it just can't happen unless we start paying garbage men and street sweepers the same as we do educated professionals.

when you put it that way, it sounds like Lief is actually arguing for socialism.

[joft]

guys what he really means is that there's room enough for everyone that matters to be wealthy. so you don't have to worry about women, negroes, mexicans, etc, because they have different roles to play. only tall white protestant men with large chests and shocking red hair, people with names like Howard Roark or John Galt, need to worry about becoming wealthy, because they're the chosen elect

[Olo401]

I bet Howie will be glad to know he's one of the chosen..