A message on healthcare that reaches out to conservatives in a way they understand

[Skjie]

What power do rich people have over less rich people?

Unless this was a leading question you were planning to make a point out of, you really can't expect to have any credibility for anything you are saying.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

Oops, the second time I left off "...that govt. doesn't have?" Oh well.

[Skjie]

I'll bite. Your original question is irrelevant. There is no power a (as currently defined) democratic government has that is not tied to it's richest citizen's interests.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

I'll bite. Your original question is irrelevant. There is no power a (as currently defined) democratic government has that is not tied to it's richest citizen's interests.

Taxing the rich more is in their best interests? My point is rich people can't take your property, they can't infringe on your liberties blah blah blah. So why direct all this hatred at an entity that can't do those things? The real threat would seem to be govt.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

OH NO THE POOR RICH PEOPLE HAVING THEIR TAX CUTS REVOKED WHATEVER WILL WE DO FOR THOSE POOR, RICH, RICH PEOPLE

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

For fucks sake learn to read.

Edit: Ok. Maybe you don't need to learn to read. Maybe it's just your reading comprehension.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

For fucks sake learn to read.

Taxing the rich more is in their best interests?

For fucks sake learn to understand legislation.

[Skjie]

Taxing the rich more is in their best interests? My point is rich people can't take your property, they can't infringe on your liberties blah blah blah. So why direct all this hatred at an entity that can't do those things? The real threat would seem to be govt.

When do you expect that there will be a practical change to the taxation of the wealthy in America? If you believe that there is any will or ability to tax the wealthy from Washington, I really don't know what else to say to you, son.

Also, it is trivial for the wealthy to take your property and infringe on anything they want. Lobbying is the most obvious of the avaliable methods, but there are certainly many more effective ways to get your way when you not only have the money to afford it, but the contacts to make it happen.

[Solefald]

What power do rich people have over less rich people?

Why is shrinking the wealth gap so important?

Excessive concentration of wealth and, therefore, power in the hands of a few is the stuff revolutions are made of. Tsarist Russia didn't exactly have a large and thriving middle class, you know.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

When do you expect that there will be a practical change to the taxation of the wealthy in America? If you believe that there is any will or ability to tax the wealthy from Washington, I really don't know what else to say to you, son.

Also, it is trivial for the wealthy to take your property and infringe on anything they want. Lobbying is the most obvious of the avaliable methods, but there are certainly many more effective ways to get your way when you not only have the money to afford it, but the contacts to make it happen.

Unless with-holdings are done away with, never.

And why are rich people the bad guys for influencing politicians? (That's what your saying makes them hated right?) Why isn't the govt. just as hated for being influenced and acting on things that do whatever is you think they do? Rich people don't have any power that the govt. doesn't give them. And I'm assuming you're saying rich people suck b/c they can influence politicians here.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

And I'm gonna graduate with a minimum of 45k in debt and a maximum of 140k...it's likely that I'll never be rich.

[Skjie]

I may have Jewish blood, but I'm no self hater.

[Skjie]

Unless with-holdings are done away with, never.

And why are rich people the bad guys for influencing politicians? (That's what your saying makes them hated right?) Why isn't the govt. just as hated for being influenced and acting on things that do whatever is you think they do? Rich people don't have any power that the govt. doesn't give them. And I'm assuming you're saying rich people suck b/c they can influence politicians here.

I'm glad you admit that there is no such thing as tax reform against rich people. However, I'm definitely not saying that rich people are bad, I really don't see where you're getting that from. Also, the American government does nothing that isn't in the best interests of the wealthy. You really don't seem to understand who actually is holding the reigns.

[Kuya]

Every time there is tax "reform" in the US, it has always ended with the lowering of the tax burden on the higher income ladder.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

I'm glad you admit that there is no such thing as tax reform against rich people. However, I'm definitely not saying that rich people are bad, I really don't see where you're getting that from. Also, the American government does nothing that isn't in the best interests of the wealthy. You really don't seem to understand who actually is holding the reigns.

I guess I got lost in there somewhere. But how is the Bush tax cuts expiring good for the rich? That can't be in their best interests. And Kuya, that's why the Fairtax is awesome.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

I guess I got lost in there somewhere. But how is the Bush tax cuts expiring good for the rich? That can't be in their best interests. And Kuya, that's why the Fairtax is awesome.

Motherfucker weren't you just crying about me saying tax cuts? And on this same page?

No wonder no one takes you seriously you're almost as bad as Leif but sadly not a satirical caricature ( thanks Cadsuane ) of the right. You're just plain dumb.

[Sirrus_Asura]

Every time there is tax "reform" in the US, it has always ended with the lowering of the tax burden on the higher income ladder.

Right, however it bothers the fuck out of me when people blame the rich for this constantly happening.

[Rhinox]

who exactly should people blame then?

[Sirrus_Asura]

who exactly should people blame then?

The people who pass the laws that give them the tax cuts? They have the final say, and are supposed to represent "The People".

Edit: If lobbying didn't work as well as it did, corporations and companies certainly wouldn't bother.

[Rhinox]

Oh so the rich. Gotcha