Pirates 4: On Stranger Tides (MC: 45, RT: 33%)

[Trocian]

Oh please. Company X wouldn't have made 2-3 more movies if they lost money on the first one. The backstory doesn't mean shit.

[Kaylia]

She's a Caribbean goddess and they were the pirates of the Caribbean after all. Once you leave the general area aka going to Florida then logically you would have to deal with a new god.
Or considering that the 3rd movie went everywhere in the world it could be considered that the multiple sea gods all control the ocean but they don't care what the other ones are doing. Calypso could also be the most temperamental of them all. Northern sea gods wouldn't be an issue for pirates as they aren't viking warriors, don't want to try and fight vikings, and don't have any real treasure to steal from boats in the region anyway. African sea gods don't bring in many hurricanes so they wouldn't even need to bother with them since they aren't hindering operations.
Most mythologies don't combine the underworld deities with the ocean ones so calypso by default would have control over everything death related.

I'm overanalyzing things though but it's fun to do so.
TLDR: If the god doesn't get in their way they ignore it. Calypso likes making hurricanes while the others dont. Hence they don't talk about other sea gods as much.

It's not that they can't add lore. There is still plenty of room for something like you mentioned. What I'm saying is that it's going to feel disconected from the first three movie in the sense that it wasn't planned in the original story. It's hard to weave a story when the source material is already completed and solid.

If you want an example, take any Disney classics, and watch the sequel they made. They rarely destroy what was established in the original, but none of them feel right either (except 1 or 2 maybe).

Personaly, I think the better route for this movie would be to involve the big power in Europe. We know there was many war/tension around that time, and there is enough material there for Jack Sparrow's quest to actually have an impact on the whole world.

[Khajit]

Jack sparrow starts the french revolution and inadvertently creates america!

[Tanthalass]

They are gonna ride this horse until it's not making 100 mil+ a movie.

Every movie coming out these days seems to be filmed with sequels already in the works - see GI Joe, Twilight, blah blah

Sequels make money. If you like movie A, you're probably at least going to give movie A's sequel a shot. Whether its shitty or not doesn't matter, you've already paid to see it. Spiderman 3 is a perfect example.

Book series in particular are also huge cash cows for film studios. They're already written and already have huge fan bases willing to see movies made off of them. Even the fanboys who absolutely hate the films will (a lot of the time) continue to see them in order to rant about how much they hate them, how much they fucked that shit up, etc.

Try and remember that film studios are, in fact, in business in order to make money before you make another really fucking retarded comment.

[Alderaan]

This is almost as bad as hearing that the script for Indiana Jones 5 is in the works.

I loved the 1st Pirates movie. Let it go already.

[Pendas]

Jack sparrow starts the french revolution and inadvertently creates america!

I approve, nothing would satisfy me more than watching Jack Sparrow deal with the French in the middle of a revolution.

[Acturus]

About the only thing I would have tolerated with a 4th movie when I first heard "Yes movie, no Bloom or Knightly" was perhaps a prequal that explained how Sparrow got the Black Pearl from Davey Jones, how he came across Calypso's compass, and the mutiney by Barbossa.

This is just going to be a hard movie to watch, since the first three did a very good job of wrapping up the story being told.

I'm ever hopeful, but I am also going to buy the book and read it. It's a fairly acclaimed book from the small research I've done. With any luck it won't translate horribly into a Disney movie.

[Eaglestrike]

About the only thing I would have tolerated with a 4th movie when I first heard "Yes movie, no Bloom or Knightly" was perhaps a prequal that explained how Sparrow got the Black Pearl from Davey Jones, how he came across Calypso's compass, and the mutiney by Barbossa.

This is just going to be a hard movie to watch, since the first three did a very good job of wrapping up the story being told.

I'm ever hopeful, but I am also going to buy the book and read it. It's a fairly acclaimed book from the small research I've done. With any luck it won't translate horribly into a Disney movie.

Because a character like Jack Sparrow would be limited to having only one adventure in his life.

[Iono]

A while back before summer I thought to myself about Pirates 2 and how the ending was so much of a cliffhanger and I couldn't wait for the 3rd one to fucking come out. I then jumped up and asked my GF when does the 3rd one come out??? Can't wait for it! She told me we'd already watched it.....

Apparently it was so shitty I completely blocked it out from my memory....


1 was awesome, 2 and 3 were shit. Same thing with The Mummy series, I expected the third to be awesome, because, well fuck, they gotta realize how badly they fucked up on the second. I mean come on, they even got Jet Fucking Li!

I pretty much rank this one the way I'd rank the 3rd Mummy. Except it's probably even worse. Because instead of being one movie that pisses me off, it'll be 3 movies that piss me off.....

Once again I hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be... Maybe the first one will be good so they can pull the fan-base back in. But no way they can make an awesome trilogy Especially after seeing what went on in the 2nd & 3rd ones....


P.S. Would love to have Kate Beckinsale in this movie too. She'd make a good pirate wench, and cleans up nicely.

[Kaylia]

Because a character like Jack Sparrow would be limited to having only one adventure in his life.

No, It's implied he had many. However, character development can only happen once, unless they have a damn good reason.

[Tanthalass]

A while back before summer I thought to myself about Pirates 2 and how the ending was so much of a cliffhanger and I couldn't wait for the 3rd one to fucking come out. I then jumped up and asked my GF when does the 3rd one come out??? Can't wait for it! She told me we'd already watched it.....

Apparently it was so shitty I completely blocked it out from my memory....


1 was awesome, 2 and 3 were shit. Same thing with The Mummy series, I expected the third to be awesome, because, well fuck, they gotta realize how badly they fucked up on the second. I mean come on, they even got Jet Fucking Li!

I pretty much rank this one the way I'd rank the 3rd Mummy. Except it's probably even worse. Because instead of being one movie that pisses me off, it'll be 3 movies that piss me off.....

Once again I hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be... Maybe the first one will be good so they can pull the fan-base back in. But no way they can make an awesome trilogy Especially after seeing what went on in the 2nd & 3rd ones....


P.S. Would love to have Kate Beckinsale in this movie too. She'd make a good pirate wench, and cleans up nicely.

You all keep bitching about Pirates 2 and 3.

1. What the fuck was wrong with Pirates 2? Its easily my favorite of the three.

2. Pirates 3 wasn't a godawful movie either. They tried to squeeze too much in and it got tied up and confusing. Was it a good movie? Not really, but it wasn't a terrible one either. It was pretty thoroughly mediocre. Not nearly as awful as, say, Spiderman 3.

No, It's implied he had many. However, character development can only happen once, unless they have a damn good reason.

Character development only happened once in the series anyway. Jack Sparrow was introduced and developed in Pirates 1.

In Pirates 1, when faced with danger, he ran whenever possible, backstabbed everyone he came across, and then in the end it was shown he's a good person at heart and he came back to save the day.

Just like he did in Pirates 2.

And then again in Pirates 3.

He'll no doubt do the same thing in Pirates 4 as well.

Pirates 2/3 is almost a whole new adventure, just like what Pirates 4 is going to be. How is this announcement any different then the announcement of Pirates 2/3?

[TummieGaruda]

About the only thing I would have tolerated with a 4th movie when I first heard "Yes movie, no Bloom or Knightly" was perhaps a prequal that explained how Sparrow got the Black Pearl from Davey Jones, how he came across Calypso's compass, and the mutiney by Barbossa.

This is just going to be a hard movie to watch, since the first three did a very good job of wrapping up the story being told.

I'm ever hopeful, but I am also going to buy the book and read it. It's a fairly acclaimed book from the small research I've done. With any luck it won't translate horribly into a Disney movie.

I think a prequel would've been more exciting. It would explain a lot about how the Black Pearl was originally called the Wicked Winch and belonged to the East India Trading Company. Jack who was employed by the EITC was to sail the ship with "precious cargo" to some destination. When he found out the cargo were slaves, he freed them which pissed off Lord Beckett and ordered the ship to be hunted down and destroyed. Jack was labeled a pirate and the ship was lost at the bottom of the sea. It was at that point Jack made a deal with Davy Jones to resurrect the ship from the oceans depths and be captain of the ship for 13 years in return for Jacks soul.

[Katlan]

This is almost as bad as hearing that the script for Indiana Jones 5 is in the works..

Problem w/ Indy 4 is that it followed the same basic formula as the previous movies (w/now feels outdated)... Indy 5 could be a great movie if they don't rely on the same story telling formula.

[ZarakiKujata]

Problem w/ Indy 4 is that it followed the same basic formula as the previous movies (w/now feels outdated)... Indy 5 could be a great movie if they don't rely on the same story telling formula.

George Lucas NOT rely on the same story telling formula?

You're out of luck mang

Indy 5 means more shia ladouche and while I normally don't mind him, this is the one where Lucas said he planned to shift it over to him and I do not want to see Indy 6+ possibly without harrison.

[Kaylia]

Character development only happened once in the series anyway. Jack Sparrow was introduced and developed in Pirates 1.

In Pirates 1, when faced with danger, he ran whenever possible, backstabbed everyone he came across, and then in the end it was shown he's a good person at heart and he came back to save the day.

Just like he did in Pirates 2.

And then again in Pirates 3.

He'll no doubt do the same thing in Pirates 4 as well.

Pirates 2/3 is almost a whole new adventure, just like what Pirates 4 is going to be. How is this announcement any different then the announcement of Pirates 2/3?

I know he didn't have much, but we still learned a few thing about him. I doubt they can add more now.

[Man0warr]

They should incorporate Jack's father in more :> George Teague so actually Jack's father is Blackbeard.

Plus Keith Richards was awesome.

[Silenka]

I think this movie is going to be entertaining. Good? Quite possibly. Tired, old, bad and being milked? Also quite possibly. I too was hoping for a prequel, but I'll settle for more crazy Jack adventures regardless of how they come about, provided it's entertaining (and it will be, I'm sure).

For the record, I think I liked the 3rd one the most, but it's tough between 1 and 3. 2 was just ok.

[Katlan]

George Lucas NOT rely on the same story telling formula?

No shit... he is too old to create new formula's haha

[ZarakiKujata]

No shit... he is too old to create new formula's haha

I don't think age has anything to do with it lol considering he used the same formulas even when he wasn't a geezer

[Marius]

Will Johnny Depp Ditch 'Pirates 4' For Dick Cook? - Cinematical


found it on another board but dunno if its just hearsay or actually a possibility