Gimp/Confused/WTF Player XIV: Keep your town gear, we really use this stuff

[Midnightjade]

I think you should sell anything that someone wouldn't pay the gil for. That includes bmask/etc, it's just harder to find buyers for r/e items. If you start doing that (like merc shells), your playerbase will make a ton of money if you split fairly, and they can easily buy the items off the LS. Merc shells are almost definitely the fairest and most intelligent way to run a shell that I've seen. If that manteel isn't worth the 4mil AH price to you, then don't fucking take it.

Yep, there are a lot of merc shells out there, and some of them make big bucks. Lots of offers to sell ra/ex drops including all B2 drops. But in that LS everything needs to be sold, including the ra/ex gear. Get the buyers, then go do the run.

If the BRD can deal with not getting the manteel, then the PLD needs to deal with no mask. Sell it all or don't sell anything. Same rule for everyone.

[Baelorn]

Merc shells are almost definitely the fairest and most intelligent way to run a shell that I've seen.

They're no more fair than any other system depending on how they split the gil. Most I've seen are just like point shells but instead of getting points you get gil. They can also be worse than a point shell. A lot of people dislike these systems because people who make gil outside the LS have a huge advantage. IE someone with a 100 craft will get more items than someone without even if the person without participates more.

[Deader2818]

They have a system were cashmare cloths are sold for the bank, and threads are made into cloths and then made into manteels to be bid.

Anything that is sold (r/ex items or sellables) just go into the bank to buy currency.

I do think selling and splitting to those who are there is fairest way to go, but life isnt fair

[FailureMidgard]

Yep, there are a lot of merc shells out there, and some of them make big bucks. Lots of offers to sell ra/ex drops including all B2 drops. But in that LS everything needs to be sold, including the ra/ex gear. Get the buyers, then go do the run.

If the BRD can deal with not getting the manteel, then the PLD needs to deal with no mask. Sell it all or don't sell anything. Same rule for everyone.

Even if you get the manteel and give it to the bard, it's stupid for the bard to keep it. I'm not saying to be unfair...if you give the mast to the pld, then give the manteel to the bard. AND LET THE BARD SELL IT FOR PERSONAL PROFIT. This changes -nothing-. My point remains 100% valid. If anything, you're getting fucking cheated as the bard being required to keep a 4mil item, and calling it even vs a nice item a pld or whomever else got because you "aren't allowed to sell an LS item". The point remains you shouldn't fucking own a r/e item that you wouldn't pay the gil for if you had it.

They're no more fair than any other system depending on how they split the gil. Most I've seen are just like point shells but instead of getting points you get gil. They can also be worse than a point shell. A lot of people dislike these systems because people who make gil outside the LS have a huge advantage. IE someone with a 100 craft will get more items than someone without even if the person without participates more.

Uhh, that's true anyway...someone with gil in a point shell can go outside the shell and buy a novio, gaiters and a justice torque. Hey look, they used their gil and skipped over people in the shell...

[Max™]

Guy in my limbus shell bought a pair of homam pants from another group, so now the line went Him > Everyone else, to No one > Everyone else.

He can get a different item, others can get pants faster... what's the downside here again?

[Midnightjade]

The point remains you shouldn't fucking own a r/e item that you wouldn't pay the gil for if you had it.

I'm not sure I get what you're fucking saying, lol. If you can buy everything from a merc shell, why not just craft to 100 and then spend the rest of your time sitting in Whitegate? Some people do that, how much fun do they have?

[FailureMidgard]

I'm not sure I get what you're fucking saying, lol. If you can buy everything from a merc shell, why not just craft to 100 and then spend the rest of your time sitting in Whitegate? Some people do that, how much fun do they have?

My point is, if your shell gives you a manteel, and you're a bard with gimp ass shit in other slots, the shell should sell the manteel and give you 4mil to go buy other shit with. The point is I don't give a fuck that it dropped in the battlefield for you, you shouldn't keep it when it's not a good use of the value.

[Meian]

Are you advocating that everything even /ex should be sold like Homam, Dynamis relic armor, sky gear, etc?

[Midnightjade]

What you originally said was:

I still don't understand how this is ever a valid thought. Your LS should sell the manteel, and give the gil to it's members.

So when the manteel gets sold (let's say), does the 4mil go to the BRD, or split, or to the bank? How about the B Mask? If the two are treated differently, there'll be trouble in paradise.

If everything is sold and split, then the game becomes about gil per hour. If your star tank figures out they can make more crafting, why should they show up to events? Although what they then do with all that gil is anyone's guess - maybe pull some huge numbers at birdcamp? Hehe.

[Mayareira]

Selling LS-given gear is frowned upon everywhere except mercenary linkshells.

Seriously, how hard is it to gear up an above-average bard anyways? If he sports in NQ staves and other junk at level 75 chances are quite high that he'll invest in his "other" jobs with the manteel he sells, or with the gil he is given. What will you do then? /check him and buy specific pieces for the guy?

If that posted bard has Terra's Staff and Apollo's Staff he is already better than 60% of them out there. He wanted that manteel and he bought it before other shit, get over it.

[Midnightjade]

Selling LS-given gear is frowned upon everywhere except mercenary linkshells.

Seriously, how hard is it to gear up an above-average bard anyways? If he sports in NQ staves and other junk at level 75 chances are quite high that he'll invest in his "other" jobs with the manteel he sells, or with the gil he is given. What will you do then? /check him and buy specific pieces for the guy?

If that posted bard has Terra's Staff and Apollo's Staff he is already better than 60% of them out there. He wanted that manteel and he bought it before other shit, get over it.

^ This, many times over.

[ronin sparthos]

was checking for merit party camp today, when I saw this ^_^

http://i37.tinypic.com/1zlstfo.png

Fucking waste of a sha'ir. Couldn't snap picture of them quick enough while checking of them actually using it to pull but yeah... what the fuck?

the Samurai in my party was pretty ass, had no clue what Haste or Accuracy was but knew how to wear a Domaru, wish I took a picture

Going back to this BRD, am I missing the part where this person is gimp as shit? The chakram is confusing at MMJSP given elegy helps against the mamool ja and the skoffins but what else is qualifying here as gimp?

Main - HQ Light, assuming they are using a Light Grip. I assume they have Terra's + Earth Grip,
Head - room for improvement but hardly a bad hat for BRD.
Body - Manteel, the source of the debate but the person could have easily farmed the Cloud Evoker and thus got lotting rights on the manteel.
Hands - good.
Neck - standard.
Legs - AF+1 can be a bitch to get.
Feet - good.
Waist/Back - standard.
Ear1 - Delta? nothing horrifying here.
Ear2 - Melody Earring - nothing special, nothing bad.
Rings - standard.

Ive seen way worse bards and usually a bad bard is defined by their lack of ability to put songs up and usually not gear.

[konoko]

if the ls gave him the manteel and he sells it, the ls just shouldnt be obligated to give him a new manteel, in most shells i have been in, if you get a high value sellable item and you sell it, your just off any list to get one from the shell ever again.

Once its on your char, unless your borrowing it from a single person, its yours. Having items be LS property is just stupid.

[chiyio]

Follow up on the retard I posted about here:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/3084044-post1286.html


WAR/NIN
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Louhi's Mask/Chiv/Fowling/Minuet
Haub/Pallas/Dual Ruby
Cerb/Warwolf/Barone/AF2

[FailureMidgard]

What you originally said was:



So when the manteel gets sold (let's say), does the 4mil go to the BRD, or split, or to the bank? How about the B Mask? If the two are treated differently, there'll be trouble in paradise.

If everything is sold and split, then the game becomes about gil per hour. If your star tank figures out they can make more crafting, why should they show up to events? Although what they then do with all that gil is anyone's guess - maybe pull some huge numbers at birdcamp? Hehe.

I don't care what you do with it, I have my preferences, you have yours on how to do things "fairly" at that point. My only real point is that your shell is stupid for keeping a manteel if you wouldn't buy the manteel for the member or the member wouldn't buy it themselves.

Selling LS-given gear is frowned upon everywhere except mercenary linkshells.

Which is a stupid and/or lazy idea.

Seriously, how hard is it to gear up an above-average bard anyways? If he sports in NQ staves and other junk at level 75 chances are quite high that he'll invest in his "other" jobs with the manteel he sells, or with the gil he is given. What will you do then? /check him and buy specific pieces for the guy?

If that posted bard has Terra's Staff and Apollo's Staff he is already better than 60% of them out there. He wanted that manteel and he bought it before other shit, get over it.

How is it a problem if he sells the manteel for other jobs? You're paying 4mil for 2% cast speed. If he has an NQ earth staff but otherwise acceptable gear, he can buy a Terras, then buy stuff to gear other jobs, which presumably helps your shell out at 1 time or another. Why does he need to only upgrade his bard's gear?

I'm not debating what's fair here, I'm debating what's intelligent. You can split the gil from a manteel however you want - you can give it all to 1 person, you can split it evenly over people that showed up, you can split them all evenly over people that have never gotten a bmask until the bmask person has lost out on 3mil gil, you can rotate lotting any 1 item from bahamut until everyone got 1 thing, let them sell/keep/whatever, and then start over. It doesn't matter. The fact remains that keeping a 4mil item that is negligible at best WHEN YOU HAVE BETTER THINGS TO BUY is stupid.

There are some people a manteel is good for, that are very well geared on all their useful jobs, or consider bard their main and have everything else - fuck ya I'd want to maximize. But it is a very poor and inefficient use of resources like 99% of the time.

[Meat]

did you check the head? aint there some bad ass annm nq demon helm that spanks most others?

[Corrderio]

Going by that reasoning, they should take buyers along and sell Bahamut's Mask, Staff and Scythe also. Hell, just sell everything. Even that taru over there, lol. Then roll around in big piles of gil. Just because items are ra/ex doesn't mean they can't be sold. Conversely, just because items are not ra/ex doesn't mean they should be sold.

Manteel is a sought after item for BRD, just as Staff and Mask are coveted by SMN and PLD. If you give the latter items to LS members and withhold the former from your BRDs, you're treating them like song rotation mules. Good luck getting them to come along and help you zerg B2 next time.

I'l have to agree, I see no problem selling gear. However that's after no current shell members want/need the stuff. However if the item can be AHed/Bazaared and I catch them trying to sell it I'd kick them in a heartbeat.

[FailureMidgard]

I'l have to agree, I see no problem selling gear. However that's after no current shell members want/need the stuff. However if the item can be AHed/Bazaared and I catch them trying to sell it I'd kick them in a heartbeat.

Yea, it'd really suck if they got something worth the exact same value that they actually wanted. FUCK THAT, kick their sorry ass, ignore the fact most people would probably be happier even giving 1million of it back to the shell. Would really suck for the shell to get 1million AND the member to get something they want more than 2% castspeed on bard.

You're the exact thing I'm arguing against as stupid.

[Corrderio]

Everyone has their own views on endgame and I don't give a fuck about gil when it comes to endgame. I want money? I'll go farm. If you need to rely on your shell for income that's pretty damn sad.

If I was a fulltime BRD for a shell and they'd expect me to buy a piece of gear when I've worked my ass off for the shell just because it's not rare/ex they can kiss my ass.

[Baelorn]

Uhh, that's true anyway...someone with gil in a point shell can go outside the shell and buy a novio, gaiters and a justice torque. Hey look, they used their gil and skipped over people in the shell...

That's not the same at all. It's not even close.

As stated before the problem with these shells is that certain people can make better money by not showing up to events that may be less profitable and still get the gil to buy items over those who do show up. Kicking them will have little to no effect because they don't lose anything but the opportunity to put money back into the LS bank(lol).