Uhm wth wikia?

[Yugl]

I was thinking along the lines of Randomest Question thread.

Edit: "I EDIT WIKIPEDIA" ~We know the song by now.

[Sho]

I was thinking along the lines of Randomest Question thread.

Edit: "I EDIT WIKIPEDIA" ~We know the song by now.

XD I see.

[Demosthenes11]

hurr hurr u guyz donut updat ur wiki so i dun uze eet

No, because we arent the only ones who are supposed to update it, and considering a great portion of information comes from BG forums and is posted to the otherwiki UNCREDITED, that really is where the problem comes from and why the hostility does exist.

And yes, it has been a while, and it might be "water under the bridge" for some people, but not for all, some people feel very slighted that they were intentionally deceived so somebody could make a paycheck. BGwiki was made as an alternative yes, and while it is by no means complete and possibly will never be complete without a serious push from the community to help with updating it, it will remain just that, an alternative, one that was not made for a cash grab.

We never entirely expected bgwiki to become this new mecca because honestly, a great portion of BG forum users posted all the information on otherwiki to begin with, why would they feel the need to repost it all over again. And yes, we could have easily gone the shady route and did a full info dump of the otherwiki and just put it in ours, copypastedone. But then we would be doing the same thing they did to countless other forum posts and sites. No, we simply sit here as an alternative, not the best one by far, but one you have.

BG Forums have been approached by countless people wanting to buy. Shady and legitimate companies have wanted to invest in us or outright take over the forum structure entirely, money has been offered and it has been substantial. Some have just wanted the domain name and would relaunch as a new forum, scrapping the old. Weve been given hosting offers that were generous and some that were simply laugh out loud worthy, this includes several from gani himself.

But no, the forums will remain exactly how they are for as long as we can keep them up, and as things shift to 14 we will shift as well. XI will end up dying, its been written for years that it will come to pass. But BG will live on for endgame information and I will go to sleep content that we did everything we did without having to tell people one thing and do another behind their back.

So all of you who might bash our wiki for being incomplete, thats fine, go ahead, were cool with it. If you want to do something about it, help out, edit in a few things, give us a hand, we will appreciate it. For those who dont, thats fine, no hard feelings, we wont take it for granite.

I think you're taking yourself a little too seriously here...
For the average joeffxi player, and even 99% of endgame, otherwiki is better because info is already there. There is simply no need or motivation to duplicate it by putting it on the bgwiki. I mean honestly, the only motivation is so people that are still butthurt about 2007 can feel morally righteous about where they get their info.

since the uncredited info is what seems to piss you off so much, I ask why. BG is does not exist for profit. There is no potential gain from citing BG on either side. Some believe it's courtesy but I question the validity of that. The otherwiki and BGs purpose is to spread information for an online video game. Nowhere on BG is there a disclaimer that no information can be taken from this forum without the proper credit given. The users here don't care when their posts are used to update a strategy or general info. I'm sure Kaeko doesn't give a fuck when the enmity page is update without naming him. This is a collaborative site just as otherwiki is.

BGwiki is just a huge waste of people's time.

[Bakthi]

Exactly my point! However, I do believe most of the info could be transcribed onto BGwiki. That would tie up loose ends for people that want to get a strat quickly, rather than looking at BGs huge forum backlog and sometimes subsequently pulling a topic out from the grave with a huge necrobump.

This would really be amazing. If the information from the 9001-page BLU thread were contained in one "guide", or even just on the pages for each spell...or the information from all iterations of the What's Better and Random Question quests was collected in an easy to use format...this would be amazing.

No, I'm not going to be the one to do it. I really can't do something that massive at this time. Sorry :/ If such a ball ever got rolling, I'd try to help out with what I could, when I could.

[Mistress Stowastiq]

There is never a place with community created content to really complain about lack of information since we can add it if we want to see an improvement.

The issue for me with my brief stint wiki editing is the intimidation and lack of knowledge keeping me back from attempting to add things. I also understand that some times a person can work really hard at something only for it to be taken down when it is not up to par, 'par' being subject to individual as well as majority interpretation and trends.

I often have a moment where I consider it then decide not to. This has led to me admiring those who contribute content and those who continue to regardless of scrutiny, having the patience and -ego enough to come back and refine their previous work.

[Mojo]

User created content is not valid point in this context. If you're trying to find information that isn't there, it's not just going to magically appear because anybody can add content. An empty wiki isn't a very helpful tool. The negativity in this thread isn't directed at BG wiki so much as the criticism people receive for using the original wiki.

Also, for such a universal reliance on the user created content point, I find it ironic that some of the first complaints about the original wiki are in regards to a lack of credit given. What's to stop you from updating the wiki to give credit when it's due?

[spooky]

Thread lacks jokes about WS getting paralyzed

[Silenka]

I would love to see all the random info and strategies posted in the forum threads compiled on BGwiki, hell, I would be willing to dig through threads and find said info, as I also think BGwiki would benefit more by being geared toward that kind of thing. Forum topics and posts can disappear and get lost or deleted, but the good info can be immortalized on a wiki. God only knows the integrity of strategy isn't upheld on xiclopedia, any idiot posts any goddamn retarded thing they want and there's too much volume of it to sift the good from the bad. It's fine for straight glaring facts (except when it's plaguing people with viruses of course) but it's sorely lacking in a lot of areas.

[Argettio]

I have been using BGwiki for about as long as I have been posting here.

It certainly isn't complete enough to be your sole source of info, but it does contain some of the conclusions from testing posted on the forums, so it is always worth checking.

Slow and haste is a good example. on other wiki it is hard to find info on haste caps and slow values. on bgwiki the slow and slow II pages have the infro from Kirsky (sp?) testing and a link tot he thread.

IMO bgwiki should be there to contain the information that the BG forum 'produces' as that is the sort of info we all come here for.

BG readers don't want to know the level of the Goblin smithys in the jungles, and if they did that information is already available on at least 2-3 other sites.

At the moment so of the information makes it into the wiki (i.e. slow and haste) but as sho pointed out, others haven't.

Edit: beaten(ish)

[Norellicus]

That's happened to me on other websites, I don't know if it's harmful or just some biproduct of an update they're doing.

What was done with the money was understandable given the circumstances. Some were just too impatient to wait for an explanation and jumped right into the mob mentality. Either way, the original wiki might have some problems, but the bg wiki is a joke if compared to it.

What

I mean I've about stopped caring at this point and use the wiki regularly because I can't be arsed to patch together a bunch of random information to make a complete picture of what I'm looking for, but you can't seriously tell me that $4,000 vanishing into thin air is "understandable given the circumstances"

There was some shady shit going down when all that happened, and I was rather incensed having put $50 into it myself. I tried to get my bank to revoke the charge but it had already cleared in full :<

[FailureMidgard]

I hate "otherwiki" personally. But that being said, there is no alternative, as people have said. BGWiki is a great idea in theory, but it isn't even worth typing in the URL for most the time. I'd love to see it grow, as would probably every user here. That doesn't mean that it's somehow suddenly our responsibility to turn it into what we want it to be. I'm sure most people love to go out to their favorite restaurant, order an amazing meal...it doesn't mean they want to go prepare it themselves. Service isn't free, there's 0 motivation for anyone to update the wiki. In the end, we'll all get along, whether BG wiki stays as it is, or ends up becoming amazing and toppling "otherwiki", but if you (Sono+BG) want to see BGwiki thrive, why not add some motivation? I know BG has done giveaways on things for art/etc entries in the past, why not do a giveaway for BG-wiki entries?

Anyway, I'd love to see a more complete wiki somewhere...you go check Victory March on otherwiki, and get full tiers...you go check slow2 and get nothing at all.

And it sucks what happened with the wiki fundraiser or whatever in the past...but most of us aren't really going to avoid going to that url because of it, especially when it's so hard to find some of the really basic information anywhere else.

[Bockage]

The issue for me with my brief stint wiki editing is the intimidation and lack of knowledge keeping me back from attempting to add things.

Even if you don't understand how to code, it's alright. Just type in the info in and add something like "needs coding" in the summary. Someone will come around and make it look all pretty for you .

[Argettio]

you can't seriously tell me that $4,000 vanishing into thin air is "understandable given the circumstances"

Not my money, not my problem.

Sorry.

/flameshield

[Mistress Stowastiq]

Even if you don't understand how to code, it's alright. Just type in the info in and add something like "needs coding" in the summary. Someone will come around and make it look all pretty for you .

I appreciate the help . You make it sound simple. I have difficulty learning coding but read the help and faq when I did the small amount of editing that I attempted before. It is really confusing for me.
I did not know that we could use "Needs Coding". I thought that we had to complete everything we added.

My problem occurred with the quality of an image I added to go with a HQ food item that I had synthed in the game. Seeing that the page needed a photo, I took a snapshot and added it. Turns out my snapshot was below the quality required for the wiki because I used the wrong texture of the item description background and possibly other issues with the photo quality.

-So I got discouraged. I stopped and gave up instead of learning to change my game settings and learning how to take a proper ss picture to create the image.

[Cutriss]

So, ITT, we have people complaining about someone taking a cashgrab to the order of $4000.

In Cross-Server Player Warnings, people complain about LS leaders RMTing banks for the same amount of money, and people LOL.

The difference is who got affected.

Complaining about attributions is also kinda stupid at this point. I'll use the phone book analogy. You can't claim copyright on a list phone numbers. You can claim copyright on the presentation of such. It's all just data. Anything that has serious time and effort put into testing probably actually has attribution in the Talk page, and if it doesn't...I dunno...Add it? Doesn't seem that hard.

This all really boils down to a few key points:

1. Some dicks on the Internet got screwed by another dick on the Internet.
2. Some dicks on the Internet don't like another dick on the Internet (Charitwo).
3. Some dicks on the Internet think that their minor research contributions into an Internet game will earn them their 15 minutes of fame and are disappointed to find out it won't.

Wheee.

[Demosthenes11]

looool love the sig

[wop]

Such a simple solution to this.
Sonomaa gets Charitwo unbanned and let him have full reign on BG wiki.
He's possibly the person with most time on his hands as he's made over 50,000 posts/amendments over there, mowing down noobs with his iron fist.

[Soa]

I added a bunch of stuff for Beastmaster on otherwiki a few years back and Charitwo took it all out like literally 10 minutes later. I tried to add it again and he took it all out again, so I said fuck it and never bothered editing it after that.

I've thought about adding stuff to BG Wiki but at this point it seems pointless. The game is clearly dying off right now, and I barely play as is anymore, so its probably not worth my time. I agree with what some others have said, gear it towards strategy instead of general info and I think it will be a winner.

[Hanyoko]

I like how BGwiki loads in a near fraction of the time. The data that is there is very quickly accessable whereas otherwiki has many layers of crap to wade through.

[Mojo]

What

I mean I've about stopped caring at this point and use the wiki regularly because I can't be arsed to patch together a bunch of random information to make a complete picture of what I'm looking for, but you can't seriously tell me that $4,000 vanishing into thin air is "understandable given the circumstances"

There was some shady shit going down when all that happened, and I was rather incensed having put $50 into it myself. I tried to get my bank to revoke the charge but it had already cleared in full :<

It was closer to half that and it didn't vanish into thin air. What they didn't spend from the fundraiser was given back to contributors through that lottery or raffle that they had. Some people here have mentioned partial refunds or something instead, which would have been awesome, but what they did instead was understandable considering how impractical issuing partial refunds to the volume of people that contributed would be.

I don't really see how it can be labeled as a cash grab. They were not receiving enough donations to pay the bills, so the site was either going down or going to wikia. It was just a matter of time really.