Uhm wth wikia?

[Julian]

No time to read this entire topic, as I have another class in a few min and I currently have no internet at home, will re-edit this later for relevance, but,

To people complaining about the lack of information:

How about, oh, I don't know.. UPDATING some of it? Updating a wiki is actually pretty damn easy.

[Silenka]

If BGwiki would like to be any decent source of info for FFXIV, it should be started NOW rather than right after the game is released. That way most of the basics of XIV will be fleshed out, along with the general wiki formatting, and such.

Agreed! I would like to see BG wiki be the big one for 14 rather than any others.

[FailureMidgard]

To people complaining about the lack of information:

How about, oh, I don't know.. UPDATING some of it? Updating a wiki is actually pretty damn easy.

Why do people keep saying this? Hey guys, stop complaining about a resource not having enough information, just go write your own! Websters not updating with new words that should be incorporated into the English language fast enough for you? Go write your own dictionary. Perfect logic.

Most people aren't going to the fucking wiki because they want to write about things. They are going there because they want access to quick information. People keep bringing up this moral issue that wiki had, and yet, money got things done, surprisingly enough.

[Nattack]

Actually, money got drama done. As is why its a part of Wikia now. they USED to have donation drives but were quite popular before their last one.

Nobody really used early ffxiwiki until it started to grow anyway. It wasnt until it had enough information to be attractive that people started using it. BGwiki needs more nerds who get irritated about incomplete information to sit at their computers and update and add. all day. Which I used to do with the Beastmaster related information and later SCNMs.

but because we already have a wiki, a bigger more popular one, its like an amoeba that will simply engulf most of the playerbase. Why use A when B is better?

[Mayareira]

2 Wiki is too much for a single game. I check them both, but I can understand why it is hard to find people to update the BG one since the game is somewhat in the last quarter of its life and there is already a big wiki available.

After all, people generally check those for quest-related step by step guides.

[Bockage]

I appreciate the help . You make it sound simple. I have difficulty learning coding but read the help and faq when I did the small amount of editing that I attempted before. It is really confusing for me.
I did not know that we could use "Needs Coding". I thought that we had to complete everything we added.

My problem occurred with the quality of an image I added to go with a HQ food item that I had synthed in the game. Seeing that the page needed a photo, I took a snapshot and added it. Turns out my snapshot was below the quality required for the wiki because I used the wrong texture of the item description background and possibly other issues with the photo quality.

-So I got discouraged. I stopped and gave up instead of learning to change my game settings and learning how to take a proper ss picture to create the image.

It's probably because the img was in the wrong file format or something. What I find most time consuming when editing the wiki is actually typing out the information. The coding I find much quicker. So, if someone were to put the information out there and leave it for someone to make look pretty, they'd be really helping out. I hope you decide to help, we need everyone we can get to make it more complete.

And as to those of you complaining about our wiki not being complete:
If you like miss-information (para'd ws), walkthrough's and other info ripped off allah verbatim, wading through shit to find useful info, ect, then by all means use otherwiki. Or, you could stop whining and help make a place for correct and useful information. But don't come here and complain about the problems with otherwiki, and then bash on ours because it's incomplete. If half of you whining about our wiki being incomplete took the time to actually do something about it, we'd be there by now. So put up or shut up.

[Yugl]

A few problems I potentially see with BGFFXIVWiki (Note: Some of these may not qualify since I've never started a MMO from the start):

- If Wiki branches into the FFXIV field, more people will post there, and thus, they're gather information faster
- BGWiki isn't as friendly for people like me who don't know the exact name of stuff we're looking up
- Mechanics may take a while to develop (Which is really where BGWiki would superior)

[Silenka]

If Wiki branches into the FFXIV field, more people will post there, and thus, they're gather information faster

It almost undoubtedly will, but I think the quality of information will be better on BGwiki since many of the more serious/dedicated players post on BG more often than other places (I won't say most, I don't know). Unless BG posters submit the same info they came up with/figured out to the Wikia one, BGwiki will get all that info instead and be ahead by quite a bit, at least initially, until Wikia posters copy it. But it's really not about epeen or morals to the majority of the userbase, it's about who can compile a better, more useful encyclopedia of FFXIV facts and mechanics. I hope BGwiki comes out ahead.

[Spider-Dan]

Nobody really used early ffxiwiki until it started to grow anyway. It wasnt until it had enough information to be attractive that people started using it.

Tautological statement of the year?

Nobody really played early EverQuest until it started to grow anyway. It wasn't until it had enough players to be entertaining that people started playing it.

[Folant]

Or people can just be happy that the info they're after is available one way or another, even if ffxiclopedia does with FFXIV as it does with FFXI and BlueGartr takes it upon itself to handle some of the more in depths aspects of the game and it just so happens that the information discovered and provided by BlueGartr ends up on ffxiclopedia..so what? 'least all the information will be one place, if it doesn't, they'll more than likely know where to go for whatever info they need.

This little "war"(for want of a better word) about who is going to have the better information(across whatever website/s) is downright petty, I for one thought BlueGartr at least above this, but it seems more than a handful of you are still calling names in the playground.

[tonystigma]

I like how BGwiki loads in a near fraction of the time. The data that is there is very quickly accessable whereas otherwiki has many layers of crap to wade through.

Layers of crap?

ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Whatever_the_fuck_you_need

bam.

[Khamsin]

Or I could just go to ffxiclopedia instead. What possible benefit would be gained by duplicating the information onto BG wiki?

Not supporting corrupt admins with shady business practices? Not condoning the embezzlement of people's good faith donations?

It was not an "understandable" course of action, and there's a reason people were up in arms about it.

Admittedly, wiki is lacking due to people finding it easier to just use otherwiki than help update the wiki (remember, otherwiki had less info than the wiki at one point, too, and people updated it). It's just unfortunate that otherwiki took advantage of people's time and generosity and twisted it for personal gain.

The wiki is not meant as a complementary wiki that has strategic or other info to supplement otherwiki. It is meant as the de facto wiki for those who can no longer trust otherwiki. They used to be good, I admit, but now they're just a bit too corrupt for my tastes, and the information is often unreliable. Any corrections to accuracy there usually come from someone referencing a BG thread where we actually discussed the facts.

Layers of crap?

ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Whatever_the_fuck_you_need

bam.

Don't forget the crap you have to wade through in the article, itself. The wiki contains more accurate, concise information (for the topics that people have bothered to edit). Otherwiki tends to add more speculation and fluff, or sometimes, even downright incorrect information.

[Ashira]

the people that update that wiki do a ton more work than almost all the BG people combined.

Yeah, it's hard to steal info from people's blogs and posts and cut and paste 'em into their pages without attributing them.

I know that Taj revealed some discrepancies in their accounting, but it came down to discrepancies between how much they spent on some mousepads and t-shirts. A theft accusation is a fairly heavy one and I find it unlikely that Ganiman would go through all of the trouble to create and keep the wiki running just to steal some meager fundraiser leftovers.

Think it was more about the "Oh, just tell them anything you need to, I will give you whatever funds you need to make it look plausible" type statement from the wikia guy that was more disturbing.

[Not Kuno]

Think it was more about the "Oh, just tell them anything you need to, I will give you whatever funds you need to make it look plausible" type statement from the wikia guy that was more disturbing.

Yeah people seem to forget this. I wonder if all those emails and such are saved somewhere.

[Gergall]

Tautological statement of the year?

Nobody really played early EverQuest until it started to grow anyway. It wasn't until it had enough players to be entertaining that people started playing it.

No one plays that game anymore. It's too crowded.

[Izzy]

If Charitwo was castrated and displayed in a public place by Wikia/FFXIClopedia staff members, I would consider hating it less.

[Izzy]

Also, otherwiki has stuff like this:

Talk:Randgrith - FFXIclopedia, the Final Fantasy XI wiki - Characters, items, jobs, and more

a friend of mine who has Mjollnir reports that it occasionally "makes everyone around" shine when he uses Randgrith; however he can't figure out what it is.


Since he usually uses Hexa Strike (Generally, he only uses the Relic WS when someone wants to see it), and the occurence seems rare, we will probably not know what it is for a long time.


We're thinking it might be a mini-benediction, as the Club itself has no Healing properties (A little odd for WHM Only Relic, don't you think?), and the Excalibur's Knights of Round WS occasionally adds an Invincible effect.

I've also hypothesized it restores MP, similar to Moonlight and the effect on the Mj itself which occasionally give the user MP when it hits (He reports it usually being 13-25MP)
Feba 01:16, 12 June 2006 (PDT)

[Nattack]

Tautological statement of the year?

Nobody really played early EverQuest until it started to grow anyway. It wasn't until it had enough players to be entertaining that people started playing it.

Consider it a comparison of why nobody is using BGwiki.

Also using a tautological statement doesn't make it a statement 'of the year'.
sometime between then and now, someone, maybe even you will say something sillier than I did. at least mine was relevant to the situation at hand.

[Kenji]

I don't care who came up with what. I don't care where I get my information. I don't care about emotional people who are stuck in the past (and it's easy to ramble from your armchair about how evil certain people are, without actually doing anything about it).

I do care about having as much information as I can get in one spot.

"Stolen" non-attributed cut-and-pastes? I don't care who came up with it. In the grand scheme of things, your little paragraph or two of insight into this online game of medium size, doesn't amount to a hill of beans. No one is going to remember you or your contribution several years from now. I've made various contributions to FFXI over the years, under different usernames. I can still see a guide or two of mine hanging around, partially or fully attributed to someone else. And I don't care.

What's important to me, is that the information is there and people can learn from it.

So there was some shady drama awhile back? So what? You're not going to get everyone to boycott the wiki. The only way you'll accomplish anything, is to digitally hound your nemesis day after day, never quitting until they swear off the internet. Since apparently no one wants to take that step, then there is shit all you can do. Continue on with your emotionally-charged holy righteous crusade that lacks any pragmatic reason. The rest of us will get on with our lives.

I occasionally use BGwiki; It has a nice list of craftable recipes by level. Until people want to put more effort into it, however, it's basically useless. I'm fine with people not using one or the other, but everytime I here someone slam on "otherwiki" it just reeks of sour grapes to me. A friend of mine occasionally talks to me about a guy she dated, that still sends bitter letters to her and blogs bitter posts about her; the guy just can't let go of the past. Most people agree that's pathetic, and not the right way to go about things.

Oh, and I have adblock and don't plan to ever donate money to wiki's or forums, etc. I just thought actions like that were common sense. It's the great thing about the internet; if some particular site goes under, a bunch more will rush in to fill the gap. Once online, information rarely goes away.

Lastly, if ffxiwiki is "stealing" information, then it's poetic justice for people to cut and paste information from there into bgwiki without attributing it. Then proceed to make it even better (ie, fix errors, remove incorrect info, etc.). In time, people will begin to use bgwiki more, and ffxiwiki less.

Bottom line: Just wanted to point out how damn stupid it is to continually whine about an information source. Just thought you should know, every time someone says otherwiki, it comes across to other people sounding like "waaaah, i realy hate specific peoplz on the internetz becuz they were meany poopy heads! But I'm too damn lazy to do anything meaningful about it; I'd rather remind people of my bitterness any chance I get."

[Meian]

Also, otherwiki has stuff like this:

Talk:Randgrith - FFXIclopedia, the Final Fantasy XI wiki - Characters, items, jobs, and more

Then... oh, "edit it!" See what I did there? XD

Easier to edit mistakes then add new info I think