Stargate: Universe

[Atreides]

the stargates more than likely would only have an emergency override for organic material, otherwise the event horizon would stay open for random stuff like sand and things like that

[Kaslo]

the stargates more than likely would only have an emergency override for organic material, otherwise the event horizon would stay open for random stuff like sand and things like that

To be fair SG lore has been inconsistent on that. In some episodes, like "23 Minutes" (SGA) says any matter not fully in the event horizon will keep it open, in that episode a puddle jumper, and won't rematerialize anything that does not fully cross the event horizon.

However, in the SG-1 episode when they open the gate in the like 1950s an individual in a underwater suit goes through the event horizon but still has his air hose on the earth side. However, he goes through and is rematerialized while the hose is cut off.

Can't really tell what the rules are for it :/

[Deftscythe]

To be fair SG lore has been inconsistent on that. In some episodes, like "23 Minutes" (SGA) says any matter not fully in the event horizon will keep it open, in that episode a puddle jumper, and won't rematerialize anything that does not fully cross the event horizon.

However, in the SG-1 episode when they open the gate in the like 1950s an individual in a underwater suit goes through the event horizon but still has his air hose on the earth side. However, he goes through and is rematerialized while the hose is cut off.

Can't really tell what the rules are for it :/

Matter that is mid-stream (so to speak) will keep the wormhole active, but only up to a hard limit of (iirc) 38 minutes. To keep it open longer requires extraordinary circumstances (see: black hole episode of SG-1). As I recall, in the Atlantis episode you're talking about they were working frantically to get the jumper out of the event horizon before that limit so it wouldn't get cut in half and blast the crew into space.

[Kaslo]

Matter that is mid-stream (so to speak) will keep the wormhole active, but only up to a hard limit of (iirc) 38 minutes. To keep it open longer requires extraordinary circumstances (see: black hole episode of SG-1). As I recall, in the Atlantis episode you're talking about they were working frantically to get the jumper out of the event horizon before that limit so it wouldn't get cut in half and blast the crew into space.

They were working to get it all through so it would rematerialize. If it would have they would have just all jumped through the part of the event horizon that they could inside the jumper and waited out the time. and yeah I meant "38 minutes" I just knew the episode title was the time a wormhole can stay active without ext. cir.

[Deftscythe]

They were working to get it all through so it would rematerialize. If it would have they would have just all jumped through the part of the event horizon that they could inside the jumper and waited out the time. and yeah I meant "38 minutes" I just knew the episode title was the time a wormhole can stay active without ext. cir.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. Here's the episode summary from wiki.

"Needing medical attention, Sheppard's puddle jumper races to Atlantis, only to become lodged in the Stargate. Now, they only have 38 minutes until the stargate automatically dis-engages, and the jumper gets cut in two... leaving them to suffocate in outer space. "

[Mortama]

wasn't it something to do with the puddle jumper exploding in atlantis due to it getting cut in half?

[Kaslo]

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. Here's the episode summary from wiki.

"Needing medical attention, Sheppard's puddle jumper races to Atlantis, only to become lodged in the Stargate. Now, they only have 38 minutes until the stargate automatically dis-engages, and the jumper gets cut in two... leaving them to suffocate in outer space. "

yeah the end that just cut off would be in space, and the front-half would not rematerialize from how I remember it. Mortoma I will have to rewatch it to confirm your statement.

[Mortama]

im not sure why i think that it justs sounds a tiny bit right lol.

[Atreides]

keep in mind that gates in different galaxies could act differently. Pegasus gates have no rotating inner ring (and thus cannot be dialed manually), and have different style chevrons (although the same icons, just in a different font/whatever), and will supercede Milky Way gates if close to eachother. The chevrons in the Destiny's gate are different as well, consisting of dots and dashes, so it's entirely possible that Destiny or that galaxies gates have safety measures that don't exist elsewhere.

Or Rush was bullshitting.

[Mortama]

wouldn't put it past rush lol. (i realy want to trust him but i cant )

[Deftscythe]

Well the arm thing didn't have anything to do with the Stargate system. If the desert gate was connected to any other gate there wouldn't be a question, it would stay open until Eli removed his arm or 38 minutes elapsed, whichever came first. What Rush was gambling on was that keeping the wormhole open with mid-stream matter would keep the ship from jumping back to FTL and severing the connection(and Eli's arm, heh).

Honestly it was a pretty safe bet. The Ancients were pretty good with designing failsafes and if he was wrong all it would mean is that Eli would bleed to death instead of dying of dehydration.

[Kaslo]

Ok checked "38 minutes" dialog. About 14 minutes in when all the scientists on atlantis are trying to solve the problem they explain that the gate only sends things through in one piece (or "discrete units" as the scientists say). It was Beckett's idea to have everyone step through the event horizon and into the front portion of the ship.

But yeah Rush's bet was on it stopping FTL if there is an active wormhole open on the ship.

[Deftscythe]

That's still consistent in both "38 Minutes" and "The Torment of Tantalus"(the 1950s ep you referenced). The stargate only reintegrates "discrete units" unless the 38 minute limit runs out in which case it puts together what it has before shutting down.

[Kaslo]

That's still consistent in both "38 Minutes" and "The Torment of Tantalus"(the 1950s ep you referenced). The stargate only reintegrates "discrete units" unless the 38 minute limit runs out in which case it puts together what it has before shutting down.

But its not, because then they would have all jumped through the event horizon in 38 minutes and waited it out.

[Siniroth]

Didn't they say that there wouldn't be any static enemies in this series? I can't remember where I read that; I could be wrong.

I really hope not, unless static means crossing more than two seasons... it's just not the same if the only enemy is the environment... for the first season that seems likely, repairing the ship to a degree, but it could easily be foreshadowing an enemy for a future episode or season.

I'm hoping it's a static enemy though

[Lahan]

Don't forget the two or three episodes where o'neil faked fliping out and stole that unarming device thing from the Tollan, (they got wiped out later on they had those Ion cannons and where that trial for Skaara's body was at), and he "retired" and was recruted by mayborne to run a diff team that was stealing form aliens, and when o'neil told them he would be holding the gate open he went through and left his arm IN the gate after he was on the earth side keeping the gate open.

and if I remember right that video they showed of that early early mission that guy was through the gate and just walked around and the gate keep re materalizing the hose as it was feed through.

[Enygma55]

General principle behind stargate wormhole is most likely universal regardless of the type of gate.

I doubt its gonna be a static enemy in the traditional sense. I'm sure they are gonna encounter some other lifeforms and they might interact for a few episodes but this is about a space drama.

The main focus will be on the crew and how they react to situations (including the introduction of alien races)

[Deftscythe]

But its not, because then they would have all jumped through the event horizon in 38 minutes and waited it out.

I forgot how that episode ended, I thought that was what they did. Regardless there are numerous in-universe explanations, but the most likely is that in "The Torment of Tantalus"(a season 1 episode of SG-1) the rules of gate travel were not well defined even amongst the writers and that in the 7 intervening years they had developed a very concrete concept of how the gate worked.

[Enygma55]

Yea you have to excuse the first season or two on how the stargate works. Even between the movie where you get ice'd (chill factor of space?) traveling thru it.

[Kaslo]

True, not to mention Apophis in "Children of the Gods" stepping back into an "incoming wormhole" at the very begging of the pilot.

and Deft, they throw everyone except Ford into the Event Horizon then open the hatch to get thrust to push the jumper fully into the EH.