Bot wars ending

[Sev]

You've pointed this out already, try harder to not sound butthurt.

Hmm I still have my pb and looks like im getting a second one, how am I butt hurt mansin?

[Mansin]

Bad day for RMTs, isn't it ?

FFXIapp doesn't really aid me in any important way. It sure doesn't help me HQ things. I think I've pointed out to you how bad you are at trying to be condescending, but I might as well do it again.

You're really bad at trying to be condescending.

[Titanss]

I've accomplished quite a bit and I've never touched one or been in a linkshell that used them, but thanks.

How the fuck do you know if anyone in your ls ever used a bot? .. jc you're stupid if you believe that.

[urat]

FFXIapp doesn't really aid me in any important way. It sure doesn't help me HQ things. I think I've pointed out to you how bad you are at trying to be condescending, but I might as well do it again.

You're really bad at trying to be condescending.

You should get the JPbutton mansin, worth every penny :D

[Sev]

FFXIapp doesn't really aid me in any important way. It sure doesn't help me HQ things. I think I've pointed out to you how bad you are at trying to be condescending, but I might as well do it again.

You're really bad at trying to be condescending.

its pchan =/ he is more then bad at only that

[Therin]

Some players don't need bots to stun stuff, but a lot do, more than you probably think actually. If you yourself have killed Cerberus or Khimaira, then most likely someone you think doesn't have a bot and is perfect at stunning every time, actually has a bot....

Wow, if you need a Stun bot to stun Cerberus or Khimaira you're just fucking horrible. . . And yes, I used to Stun them ALL the time when I camped, and now I do it with Tyger and others.

I cannot though, understand how it's immature, lazy I can understand, but immature is far from any word you could call it. Honestly, it's rude to say it's immature because immaturity has nothing to do with botting. If anything, it's competent people who see the flaws of the game who do bot, and use a bot to compensate for the faulty structuring of the game.

How can you not see that breaking the terms of service of a game by cheating in it and risking your account, your money, your time on slightly improved claiming chances is immature? And for the record, botting in no way makes it impossible to claim - it just makes it more difficult. Yes, camping kings against 2-3 packetbot linkshells isn't worth the time these days but if you're determined you'll still get claims.

Weren't you in LP? Do you have selective memory when it comes to Ingwe?

Oh, yeah. Because ONE spare App user really makes my statement invalid, especially when the leadership of LP threatened to kick him if he used his bot once they found out that he had it. You're right that NO linkshell is completely bot-empty, but my statement was that I've never been in a linkshell that actively bots, and that I've never done it myself. These days a large percentage of FFXI players do it (probably at least 5%, and probably closer to 20% in a competitive end-game environment), so the chances of having 50-something people in your linkshell with zero bots is almost null. And that's the problem, and that's why programs like App should be eliminated.

How the fuck do you know if anyone in your ls ever used a bot? .. jc you're stupid if you believe that.

"Being in a linkshell WITH someone who uses a bot" is not the same as "being in a linkshell that uses bots."

The difference is that most linkshells that bot have 10-20 or more people collaborating their delay timers on App or using a more sophisticated server like NASA that does all of that for them. Having one or two spare people who use App secretively and without sanction of their linkshell doesn't make their whole linkshell a botting linkshell.

[Kayen]

Only competent people bot to make up for their WEAKNESS of not being able to hit a stun macro? Botting is cheating plain and simple. If you gotta cheat cause you suck then fine. Ruin the game for everyone. It's been fucked up for years. Players wont quit making it worse and SE wont' fix it. Then the same botters go off on a tirade in gear posts and gimp picture threads about how so many players don't have full sets of heca/adaman/etc...I love it.

I used to be in your shoes with the whole botting is cheating, and it's unfair to everyone and ruins the game. And to be honest, you couldn't be further from the truth. I would rather see a LS that cheats to claim take 15 minutes max to kill Fafnir than see some LS that doesn't cheat get lucky and take 50 minutes to lawl it up. But I guess they'd be doing it legit, according to your views. :/ And you know what ruins the game? RMT and people who are not good yet brag about being good.

Gear doesn't make the player good, it makes a good player better. And do you really want to see a shitty player with good gear? Nobody does, because majority of the time it's the shitty player with the good gear that's talking shit about people who have bad gear.

But you have to admit, there are just ways people SHOULD NOT gear their jobs, and some people do it. Those are the ones that should be posted, not someone with above average gear yet missing one piece so they have to use something not so cool until they get something better.

[lesiu]

best thing app did was afk camping tiamat cerb khi KV thatas about it. i have never had good results with claiming. actually claimed legit a lot more then with app. sucks for ppl who bought nasa tho. anyway they probably preparing for FFXIV. i bet maury would go there to and write a bot similar to app.

JPs bots owns anyway.

~Jast, Ramuh

[_chuchu]

When I was younger, botting was actually cool and saved the planet from real jams. Now you all spit on it and cast stones. Matter of fact, when this game is over, you'll all regret your words.

Spoiler: show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLKYOSiW7U4

[tarumalphius]

I used to be in your shoes with the whole botting is cheating, and it's unfair to everyone and ruins the game. And to be honest, you couldn't be further from the truth. I would rather see a LS that cheats to claim take 15 minutes max to kill Fafnir than see some LS that doesn't cheat get lucky and take 50 minutes to lawl it up. But I guess they'd be doing it legit, according to your views. :/ And you know what ruins the game? RMT and people who are not good yet brag about being good.

Gear doesn't make the player good, it makes a good player better. And do you really want to see a shitty player with good gear? Nobody does, because majority of the time it's the shitty player with the good gear that's talking shit about people who have bad gear.

But you have to admit, there are just ways people SHOULD NOT gear their jobs, and some people do it. Those are the ones that should be posted, not someone with above average gear yet missing one piece so they have to use something not so cool until they get something better.

That is not what i'm saying and it is not my view because botting doesn't equal player skill in terms of kill time (because again most people that bot are LESS skilled). There are plenty of shells that bot a claim that then proceed to hold it for 20 minutes while waiting for members or near rage it before it dies when they had the members from the start. I see it all the time.

[Kaylia]

Arenz ftw!!! Kinda funny SE has had a copy of this bot for quite some time yet they have NO idea where it comes from, who made it, and who has it, and well neither does the general public. I have used Arenz for years outclaiming many NASA ls even destroying one. Let the new age dawn on ffxi!!!

Kinda funny, because I know exactly who made it, in what context, and why it is called arenz. Everybody on ifrit should know this.


Anyway, is the pathdfinding algorithm that would camp NM for you, kill them and keep running around to make it looks like you're playing still in it? Or you only have the bot version that was reworked later? The bot on its own is pretty normal, but the other gimmick that were added to it were

[Kayen]

That is not what i'm saying and it is not my view because botting doesn't equal player skill in terms of kill time (because again most people that bot are LESS skilled). There are plenty of shells that bot a claim that then proceed to hold it for 20 minutes while waiting for members or near rage it before it dies when they had the members from the start. I see it all the time.

You're on the wrong server then. Our endgame shells are actually good. Well, there is one shell that isn't very good at killing, but was good at claiming. As for the other shells they're both good at killing and claiming.

Actually we had a NASA shell on our server for a few weeks until they broke. We've never seen worse geared players than them, and the sad part?; they sucked at claiming, even with NASA. They were UAE players mostly and came to our server from Kujata, they were LegendsLS or something like that on Kujata. Their core members were incredibly well geared, Aegis & Excalibur, or just one of the two, Gjallarhorn BRDs (no clue how many), but that was only like 4-5 players. The rest were terribly geared and even the nicely geared ones were terrible at their jobs. Don't get me wrong, they had some good players, but hard to say how many.

That LS is dead now, not sure if because it was founded on NASA, or if the other shells drove them away by messing with them. They came to our server and said they would run it, which was the whole reason behind pushing them out. Either it worked, or NASA not working is why they broke, we'll never know. This is what ruins the game as far as botting goes. Constant claims and sucking at killing instead of letting the people that know what they're doing kill it. Which is most likely what you've seen.

[jammalamma]

Oh, yeah. Because ONE spare App user really makes my statement invalid, especially when the leadership of LP threatened to kick him if he used his bot once they found out that he had it. You're right that NO linkshell is completely bot-empty, but my statement was that I've never been in a linkshell that actively bots, and that I've never done it myself. These days a large percentage of FFXI players do it (probably at least 5%, and probably closer to 20% in a competitive end-game environment), so the chances of having 50-something people in your linkshell with zero bots is almost null. And that's the problem, and that's why programs like App should be eliminated

LP's policy was simply don't let it be known that you bot. They didn't kick him, in fact, they gave him pearl after he got another account despite it all. Any threat to kick him wasn't for the fact that he using a claim bot but because he was using it while afk during window.

You should probably act less like Tothfag.

[Nishida]

Meh..no giggles for me:

http://i36.tinypic.com/24qjz11.jpg

[jeggred]

good ridance of the bot programs. hope se comes down on whatever other programs are out there. windower as well it would be nice to shut it down. if you have a problem playing without bots and windower then go back to ffxi3 or whatever and you can load your last save when you fail. cheats a cheat and people can try to justify it all they want. get rid of them and if people need to stop playing over it then good riddance!

[Seanr]

Currently trying to build a parser for campaign battles that'll track your exp roughly so you know when you've capped a category.

hm. lemme know when thats finished.. I just dick around for about 20 mins then go turn in tags usually unless im in union

[InspectorGadget]

good ridance of the bot programs. hope se comes down on whatever other programs are out there. windower as well it would be nice to shut it down. if you have a problem playing without bots and windower then go back to ffxi3 or whatever and you can load your last save when you fail. cheats a cheat and people can try to justify it all they want. get rid of them and if people need to stop playing over it then good riddance!

lol

[evilpaul]

Now maybe SE can threaten to sue the RMT companies using official art in their ads? They're finished with this pile of losers apparently.

[zard1977]

While I respect your opinion on being legit, and you having morals about being true and just, you get nowhere in this game if you can't claim stuff. If you only do Dynamis/Limbus/Sky/Sea/NMs nobody camps, then yeah, you can accomplish a lot. Things like Sandworm and Dark Ixion require no bot, but it's a hell of a lot easier with one. Things like Khimaira and Cerberus require no bot, but if you have someone who is lagging and supposed to stun Gates of Hades or Fulmination, a bot is nice to have.

Some players don't need bots to stun stuff, but a lot do, more than you probably think actually. If you yourself have killed Cerberus or Khimaira, then most likely someone you think doesn't have a bot and is perfect at stunning every time, actually has a bot....

I cannot though, understand how it's immature, lazy I can understand, but immature is far from any word you could call it. Honestly, it's rude to say it's immature because immaturity has nothing to do with botting. If anything, it's competent people who see the flaws of the game who do bot, and use a bot to compensate for the faulty structuring of the game.

If you've never camped Fafnir, Behemoth, or Adamantoise, go stand in their zone during their window and see how much you like standing there 3 hours a day for something or nothing.

LOL the worst defense of botting I have ever seen.

[Kaylia]

I would rather camp fafnir against bot than camp Ixion/SW against bot. At least, you have a chance at fafnir spamming enter.