Goodbye present - how to kill AV (before it's patched)

[Nightfyre]

You do realize that 50% of it's hp means that one more and it'd be dead, right? You only need a 130 helix to 1shot it with 9x mv.

50% of its HP means it gains the resistance it would have at that point, making a second, equally powerful MV'd helix less than what it would take to finish the job.

[rog]

50% of its HP means it gains the resistance it would have at that point, making a second, equally powerful MV'd helix less than what it would take to finish the job.

I meant one more MV, not another round of 8.

[Spira]

perhaps.. but if by kaeko's testing 9 x9s aren't that easy to come about.. and you need to fullbuff the helix in order to pull it off.. then you only have 1 shot at seriously damaging AV and its something that happens in a crawlspace of <3s, which if you're unlucky, the tic counter might just happen to fall out of.

working with 8 gives more breathing room for error and increases the likelihood of actually landing that x256 helix, if at all.

I'd say work with 8 and try to increase base damage is a better option than adamantly trying at 9. I'm sure 9 pays off better if you succeed.. but its like the lottery.. higher prize, lower odds.

[Thorny]

perhaps.. but if by kaeko's testing 9 x9s aren't that easy to come about.. and you need to fullbuff the helix in order to pull it off.. then you only have 1 shot at seriously damaging AV and its something that happens in a crawlspace of <3s, which if you're unlucky, the tic counter might just happen to fall out of.

working with 8 gives more breathing room for error and increases the likelihood of actually landing that x256 helix, if at all.

I'd say work with 8 and try to increase base damage is a better option than adamantly trying at 9. I'm sure 9 pays off better if you succeed.. but its like the lottery.. higher prize, lower odds.

If you fail with 9, it takes all of 30-60 seconds to set up again if you're efficient and have CORs available. 10-12 minutes if you don't.. provided the timing isn't any more complicated than the way I'm understanding it, landing one 9 MV over the period before AV's depop shouldn't be difficult in the least and tanks only need to hold it for roughly 15-30 seconds per attempt. Additionally, it doesn't matter if it goes yellow between attempts in this case, if you tried to do it with 2 steps of 8 MV you would need to compensate for AV's damage taken and hold it without allowing it to regen at all.. which, while possible, is much more difficult.

[P.A.Z.]

You know TBR, I really hate myself now for not letting you try this on KB the so many times you asked me to.

[HiPotion]

so to kill AV the intended way you do it with a job released 2 expansions later ? a job that cant even lock single 2hr of AV ....

if they nerf it they better release the way to kill him (we know there isnt a way, just nerf AV)

[Niiro]

For 8 Modus to work you would need a helix in excess of 250 damage, which as Kaeko mentioned earlier, even if you could manage to time the helix on an MB it still wouldn't be enough.

I don't know if it's been roughly determined how his damage resistance scales in relation to his current HP but I doubt it works in our favor. The lower you get him the more damage he resists, the more damage he resists the stronger the helix needs to be, you'll be stuck trying to play catch-up while he's chucking meteors.

With a 160 damage helix (the number Kaeko mentioned as the high-end of their helices) a successful 8/8 MV volley would knock off ~40960 HP, leaving AV with ~23000 HP left at ~36%.

In order for a 2nd volley of 8 MV to kill him from there you would need a helix damage of ~90. If his damage resistance by 36% HP is -45% or more (roughly) then it won't be possible, like a dog chasing an accelerating car, the longer the chase goes on the faster the car goes and the more tired the dog becomes (the car would most likely be a red Ferrari).

This is all assuming he hasn't used Bene and/or wiped the entire ally in between volleys.

As far as an estimate of his damage resistance at lower HP %s we'd have to look to those who have fought it that low, and even then it would probably be a rough estimate.

Whether 8/8 succeeds or fails is irrelevant, you need 9 to kill him unless Kaeko greatly overestimated the lengths his group went to in order to up the helix damage. But even if a few things were overlooked I doubt it was something major enough to jack the damage from 160 to 200+ (the amount needed for a 1.3 SC multiplier to achieve the required damage to one-shot).

9/9 may be hitting the lottery, but 8/8 is like playing a lottery that requires you to match 5 numbers, but you only write down 4.

[Kaeko]

ttp://dubai.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ogame/1254036057/

ttp://unkar.jp/read/dubai.2ch.net/ogame/1254042649

Hits 2chan

Elmerrrr

Seems some Unicorn group blindly tried 18 SCHs? If this is true they probably just didn't know the mechanics.

[The Blackrose]

You know TBR, I really hate myself now for not letting you try this on KB the so many times you asked me to.

I told you that you would kick yourself in the ass sooner or later for it. Surprise?

Granted, I doubt Isaac and Loc had MV merits so it wouldn't have mattered much. All it would have done is just do the full damage of the helix, not the addition of damage from the MV merits.

EDIT: Also, Elmer signal on the 2ch stuff stat.

[Puddings]

Anyone els think it would be smart just to delete this thread and hope to save any chance we have of it not getting patched?

[Pikarya]

Pretty sure someone on KI earlier today admitted to reporting it already..

[Shenrien]

Pretty sure someone on KI earlier today admitted to reporting it already..

wouldn't be surprised if alla trolls saw this and went to there bitch to cry.

[Spira]

skimmed the BBS... the JPs are basically behind on this concept.. specu-reporting what they see from here.

edit: funny point to note, someone tried to fake an all worlds emergency maintainence in light of this discovery... but it was for 2004.

[Puddings]

prob right but to bad cant just have them removed on all forums... but i give it 1-2weeks tops till its fixed. then again they might not since its hard to pull off. never know i mean with ff14 comming out they might let this one go? HAHA prob not but be nice :D

[Shin Volcano]

They more then liekly will patch it, but you have to ask your sef, HOW MANY linkshells out there actually have Acces to not only 10 SCHs but with maxed merits.

[Seedz]

Morning again. I just wanted to mention a couple of things.

Seedz: just because you were banned for being fucking stupid doesn't mean you can justify being an idiot and ruining this for us. I knew it was a mistake to trust you with this.

Honey, you are very wrong if you think that I was banned for being stupid. I wanted a way out because I stopped giving a fuck about FFXI. As for the whole trust thing~ you wouldn't even have known about all this if it weren't for me in the first place. But anyway, posting it on BG was by no means an attention-whoring attempt, as I have my own reasons for having done so. And if you haven't guessed them by now, you aren't half as smart as I always thought you to be (this goes for Cair, too). Just because someone speaks, it doesn't mean they are telling the truth.

@Kaeko: I understand I fucked you over, kinda. As far as I knew, you didn't mind this being posted/made public, as it had been theorized about before. However, if you wish to know more, I'd really like to speak with you about the matter via PMs or MSN.

@Sath: I was definitely wearing a Sattva Ring for the Nidhogg Flail and for the Yovra video. Guess it was my bane after all!? Haha.

Anyway. Yes, I was banned for flailing a Nidhogg. Not only once, but twice! I outran the first flail. And no, I don't give a fuck about a dragon that drops towngear (which I already owned btw); I just thought it'd be amusing.

And as a last note:

Because we were potentially going to benefit hugely from it by killing it secretly, hoarding the drops and selling them en masse at some point. Kaeko's group had the same goal, I believe. It wasn't going to happen anyway since Pawky is fucking useless but still, we had the knowledge and the experience.

El oh el. You know nothing about Pawky. If you want to blame anyone for this secret being out, blame it on me, but don't trash talk someone like him.

[Mistress Stowastiq]

tl;dr of thread : AV is not gonna die by this method before it is patched.

This method is farrrr too math intensive for my brain to understand but earlier I was wanting to see Virtuous Saint's perspective on it because reading his thread has given me a lot of confidence in his shell getting there. If anyone could, I would think him but he has not posted much here in this thread.

And lol at your sig Starr.

BTW its posted on 2ch in Japanese.

[Sehrahin]

We tried this a few weeks ago without success with 9 SCHs.

Helix seemed to wear off everytime before tick, so we had alot of timing problems I guess. My best guess is doing more than one volley but then you have regen and his 2hours to worry about. Very skeptical this will work at all. Hope they nerf MV anyway cuz one shotting most other mobs gonna be boring as hell.

[Spira]

so can we give it a nicer name while it still exists? like Helix-burn? MV trick makes it sound so dirty.

this probably makes for new ways to kill Ouryu and Bahamut V2 doesnt it

[Mizango]

Pretty sure someone on KI earlier today admitted to reporting it already..

^ Correct.

wouldn't be surprised if alla trolls saw this and went to there bitch to cry.

It is already happening, I was on Alla last night just to see what "the other side" thought about this and we (BG) are already being called cheaters and elitists.
















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