Goodbye present - how to kill AV (before it's patched)

[drwaffles]

I mean, every time you're GM'ed, unless it's something outrageously retarded. You get marks on your account that a GM will take a look at every time he talks to you as a point of reference. But please, keep thinking about asses. Mine is perfectly round <3

Just because a shitload of whiny people GM'd someone in the past doesn't mean there's any greater chance for the person in question to suffer consequences, but by all means continue to make yourself feel better about being out-claimed. There are a lot of people out there who would get GM'd by dozens of people on a given day who are still around. Why? Because they're not fucking stupid. Show me some proof - I'm intrigued as to where you got this notion.

[jaryk]

Has anyone killed AV yet with this method, if not then why is it 18 pages.

[willriker]

nope, noone has killed AV with this method.

It is 18 pages because people were first trying to understand how the theory works, then people were upset at one ability (in volume) could possibly take out AV, then people realized that this is much more difficult than it sounds, now people are trying to get it to work period.

This isnt easy to do, its more based on luck really... With no lag or if everyone had bots.. then it would be more doable.. but now people are struggling to get this to work on genbu. (which is not a waste of time actualy, but also illustrates how difficult this strat really is to one shot something like AV reliably is incredibly difficult.

This strat isnt worth all the gm calls that was placed... especialy since it has not worked yet.

[Cairthenn]

but now people are struggling to get this to work on genbu. (which is not a waste of time actualy, but also illustrates how difficult this strat really is to one shot something like AV reliably is incredibly difficult.

You don't read, do you? The Genbu thing was just one of our many mobs we used for timing tests...there is no "now struggling to get this to work on Genbu."

Unless I've missed something, no one else has since tried and posted results on anything.

[yotevol]

Personally, I believe just about any information is useful.
Which is usually why I have a lot of questions.
18 pages, yes.
But, there was a hypothesis, theories for application and tests.
They tried test subjects: Genbu and the regular UFO
It was rather successful, in my opinion.

Remember the days of people saying how difficult Kirin was.
You needed 36 people, 18 to fight Kirin and 18 to fight the pops.
People trimmed it down, and still held Kirin relatively easily.
Then someone had an idea about DRK's ability and how to TP burn Kirin.
Wasn't this when the original KC DRKs started?
Someone had a theory and tested it.
I'm sure many Kirin pop sets were lost trying to perfect it.
And afterwards, it became so commonplace that people can shout for a Kirin burn without a single KC DRK.

My point is, difficulty of the NM helps people become creative on how to defeat it. Who knows, we might be able to one shot PW with this theory in the future! But, don't dismiss a theory that has potential. Especially one that hasn't even been perfected yet...

[drwaffles]

Personally, I believe just about any information is useful.
Which is usually why I have a lot of questions.
18 pages, yes.
But, there was a hypothesis, theories for application and tests.
They tried test subjects: Genbu and the regular UFO
It was rather successful, in my opinion.

Remember the days of people saying how difficult Kirin was.
You needed 36 people, 18 to fight Kirin and 18 to fight the pops.
People trimmed it down, and still held Kirin relatively easily.
Then someone had an idea about DRK's ability and how to TP burn Kirin.
Wasn't this when the original KC DRKs started?
Someone had a theory and tested it.
I'm sure many Kirin pop sets were lost trying to perfect it.
And afterwards, it became so commonplace that people can shout for a Kirin burn without a single KC DRK.

My point is, difficulty of the NM helps people become creative on how to defeat it. Who knows, we might be able to one shot PW with this theory in the future! But, don't dismiss a theory that has potential. Especially one that hasn't even been perfected yet...

I'll rephrase my "go away" response because I don't like it when people do that. Kirin and AV are two incalculably different mobs, and this is not a "theory". It seems to me that you don't really know what you're talking about, or maybe you have trouble communicating your meaning.

[Virtuous Saint]

You can't 1 shot PW with it, PW takes something like 25% magical, combination of MDB high INT and maybe -MDT.

[BRP]

I'll rephrase my "go away" response because I don't like it when people do that. Kirin and AV are two incalculably different mobs, and this is not a "theory". It seems to me that you don't really know what you're talking about, or maybe you have trouble communicating your meaning.

Theory =/= Scientific Theory

[Yugl]

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/1971382-post497.html

Are these the tests you were talking about? If they are, I don't know if I'd take this as gospel since he only done a handful of casts on a handful of mobs. (If there are other tests around I'd like to see them.)

B. I rarely do sky also, that's why I asked.

Most of the tests occurred pre-patch, which seems to be before the duration change. That post is the best post-patch on this issue thus far, so until someone else proves it wrong, it's what we have for now.

[urat]

Prediction for the "job changes" on new update:

Update scheduled for next month will host a wide variety of changes, including changes to the jobs scholar and paladin.

1 month later:

"The effect of modus veritas has been altered"

[Gtype954]

I'll rephrase my "go away" response because I don't like it when people do that. Kirin and AV are two incalculably different mobs, and this is not a "theory". It seems to me that you don't really know what you're talking about, or maybe you have trouble communicating your meaning.

Very stupid example too because you would have to MV burn for all his forms not just the first form... that would be extremely hard to perfect even if it did 1 shot his last form which it wouldn't anyways.

[yotevol]

My point was that people have different ways of doing things.
(Some ways may just end up bringing about many "lulz")

Adversity brings creativity.
Creativity spawns theories that require testing in various situations.

I have a Tarutaru friend of mine that insists on doing gods as a WHM/RDM.
His reasons, to him, are valid.
He chooses to be able to cast cure faster than anyone in the game.
So, that PLD that got Astral Flowed (or w/e) for XXX damage would get Cure V in time to survive.
His method of thinking isn't "wrong", it's just different.
With a different mentality.

Again, why dismiss an idea with potential, just because it's different?
We may not be able to 1-shot PW, but you get my drift.
Versatility is the mentality of any end-gamer.

[drwaffles]

I'm starting to think you're trolling now.

[Tsuko_Asura]

My point was that people have different ways of doing things.
(Some ways may just end up bringing about many "lulz")

Adversity brings creativity.
Creativity spawns theories that require testing in various situations.

I have a Tarutaru friend of mine that insists on doing gods as a WHM/RDM.
His reasons, to him, are valid.
He chooses to be able to cast cure faster than anyone in the game.
So, that PLD that got Astral Flowed (or w/e) for XXX damage would get Cure V in time to survive.
His method of thinking isn't "wrong", it's just different.
With a different mentality.

Again, why dismiss an idea with potential, just because it's different?
We may not be able to 1-shot PW, but you get my drift.
Versatility is the mentality of any end-gamer.

There is a best way to do everything in this game, don't kid yourself.

And the cure casting speed cap is easily attainable with /SCH.

[BerenTebogo]

What is the cap on it? 50% speed?

Didn't think casting speed had a cap but I'm not a super-magey type.

[Tsuko_Asura]

IIRC, its not so much as a cap as its just the highest tier we're capable of getting without more reduction being available.

EDIT: I also believe its specific to cure casting speed, not casting in general. I'm hardly an expert though.

[Siniroth]

There is a best way to do everything in this game, don't kid yourself.

And yet, it doesn't make trying to think of different ways to get to the same result any more incorrect, you seem to be missing the point of his post, which is to point out that trying to think up new things is exactly how methods of doing things get discovered, and just because it's not the norm doesn't make it an incorrect way of thinking, certainly the example given might not be the best, but I don't think that was the point

What is the cap on it? 50% speed?

Didn't think casting speed had a cap but I'm not a super-magey type.

IIRC, its not so much as a cap as its just the highest tier we're capable of getting without more reduction being available.

EDIT: I also believe its specific to cure casting speed, not casting in general. I'm hardly an expert though.

Something about the casting animation limits it at a certain amount where any more doesn't really do anything else

[Tsuko_Asura]

If he's trying to relay a message, he should really avoid using examples that are blatantly wrong.

[Tsuko_Asura]

And Sath, just looked it up again. The two attainable tiers for Cure III-V are 17% and 35%. Any reduction(be it Fast Cast, merits, Cure Clogs, Light Arts, etc) between those two percentages or above 35% will have no effect on casting speed.

[BerenTebogo]

Interesting.