Goodbye present - how to kill AV (before it's patched)

[yotevol]

And Sath, just looked it up again. The two attainable tiers for Cure III-V are 17% and 35%. Any reduction(be it Fast Cast, merits, Cure Clogs, Light Arts, etc) between those two percentages or above 35% will have no effect on casting speed.

That's pretty helpful, thank you!
I'll be sure to relay the message.

His way of thinking may be a bit estranged, but he's a damn good WHM and I wouldn't trust many others to have the backs of my LS tanks.

[Thorny]

His way of thinking may be a bit estranged, but he's a damn good WHM and I wouldn't trust many others to have the backs of my LS tanks.

If the tanks are of similar quality, I wouldn't trust many WHMs to keep them alive either.

[Tsuko_Asura]

If the tanks are of similar quality, I wouldn't trust many WHMs to keep them alive either.

Shit.Just.Got.Real

[yotevol]

If the tanks are of similar quality, I wouldn't trust many WHMs to keep them alive either.

Judging a WHM based on a different choice of subjob without regards to his gameplay is pretty... umm... prejudice.

I would much rather have a WHM/RDM like him, than a WHM/SCH that can't do their job right.

About 6 months ago, I challenged a friend as a RDM/PLD to any job he wanted to be in brenner and I beat him pretty easily.

My whole post was about not limiting our thinking to, "That's gay gtfo".
Or some equivelent rhetoric that is mindless mob mentality (alliteration!).

[Thorny]

Judging a WHM based on a different choice of subjob without regards to his gameplay is pretty... umm... prejudice.

I would much rather have a WHM/RDM like him, than a WHM/SCH that can't do their job right.

About 6 months ago, I challenged a friend as a RDM/PLD to any job he wanted to be in brenner and I beat him pretty easily.

My whole post was about not limiting our thinking to, "That's gay gtfo".
Or some equivelent rhetoric that is mindless mob mentality (alliteration!).

I get it now.

A good WHM/RDM will be more effective than a mediocre WHM/SCH.
Someone with a learning disability that's dedicated might be able to pick something up better than someone who has no disability but doesn't give a shit about it. Does this mean all mentally disabled people are better than normal people at learning? Do you think the mentally disabled person would be even better at the theoretical topic if they weren't disabled? Your WHM is gimping themselves, if they're good enough to make up for it fine.. but they're still subpar because they could be even better with SCH sub.

[yotevol]

I get it now.

A good WHM/RDM will be more effective than a mediocre WHM/SCH.
Someone with a learning disability that's dedicated might be able to pick something up better than someone who has no disability but doesn't give a shit about it. Does this mean all mentally disabled people are better than normal people at learning? Do you think the mentally disabled person would be even better at the theoretical topic if they weren't disabled? Your WHM is gimping themselves, if they're good enough to make up for it fine.. but they're still subpar because they could be even better with SCH sub.

Agreed. I have talked with my friend and he's intelligent enough to entertain disagreements and have a logical debate without an emotional connection.
I just need to gather the right information and argue the side of a WHM/SCH. If I win our friendly debate, then he'll probably use /SCH from then on.
That's why I quoted the statement in a previous post, because I am going to save that for the later debate with him- lol.

[Shinryuu]

/RDM: Gravity (but why the fuck)
/SCH: Sublimation, 10% MP cost reduction, real dark magic skill + Aspir, real enfeebling skill, half-cost Cure Vs occasionally, half-casting time whateverthefuckwhyamievenargiung

[Lightningcount]

/RDM: Gravity (but why the fuck)
/SCH: Sublimation, 10% MP cost reduction, real dark magic skill + Aspir, real enfeebling skill, half-cost Cure Vs occasionally, half-casting time whateverthefuckwhyamievenargiung

If there is a RDM in the party, the whm should not be using sublimation. Refresh is better. But yes anyone who goes /rdm for fast cast effect really needs to get their head checked. Cure clogs + light arts and 5/5 cure cast merits and we pretty much are good to go.

And if he is such a good whm then why doesnt he just sub sch so he can be that much better?

[Despain]

/RDM: Gravity (but why the fuck)
/SCH: Sublimation, 10% MP cost reduction, real dark magic skill + Aspir, real enfeebling skill, half-cost Cure Vs occasionally, half-casting time whateverthefuckwhyamievenargiung

This. Its not about trying to be a douchebag, or trying to prove that you're an idiot. I hate people who play this game and are so adamant about the fact that a certain subjob is better than one that can give you so much more. If you're soloing, who gives a shit, but you bring that crap to my party, best believe you'll be changing relatively quick.

People are giving your friend advice. If he doesn't want to take the advice, then just let him realize he's an idiot. Doesn't matter how competent he may seem, he's still an idiot for using /RDM over /SCH.

[Yugl]

Nvm.

[Thunder]

And Sath, just looked it up again. The two attainable tiers for Cure III-V are 17% and 35%. Any reduction(be it Fast Cast, merits, Cure Clogs, Light Arts, etc) between those two percentages or above 35% will have no effect on casting speed.

Are these caps server side or client side? rdm/sch'd infront of MH and I'm pretty sure I'm finishing casting cureIV at <50%. Do those 17% and 35% caps also apply to all spells?

Can't find anything recent with search

[Wolfknight]

/RDM: Gravity (but why the fuck)
/SCH: Sublimation, 10% MP cost reduction, real dark magic skill + Aspir, real enfeebling skill, half-cost Cure Vs occasionally, half-casting time whateverthefuckwhyamievenargiung

Technically /rdm offers Bio I/II over /sch as well though I can't think of where that would matter much either.

[shepardG]

Just killed AV


12 PUPs
3Drg
3Cor

Dracen roll's

GO!

[Lovex]

Just killed AV


12 PUPs
3Drg
3Cor

Dracen roll's

GO!

Not even remotely funny.

[Vendog]

Doesnt /sch give gravity with Dark Arts?

[Pocketrockets]

And Sath, just looked it up again. The two attainable tiers for Cure III-V are 17% and 35%. Any reduction(be it Fast Cast, merits, Cure Clogs, Light Arts, etc) between those two percentages or above 35% will have no effect on casting speed.

Are you sure about that? I've read conflicting reports of this from several different places. Here's a link to one of them.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/53313...ml#post2736625

The post is by Shaddix, about 3/4 of the way down the page.

[Novalye]

Doesnt /sch give gravity with Dark Arts?

No, only SCH/RDM.

[Zilong]

I get it now.

A good WHM/RDM will be more effective than a mediocre WHM/SCH.
Someone with a learning disability that's dedicated might be able to pick something up better than someone who has no disability but doesn't give a shit about it. Does this mean all mentally disabled people are better than normal people at learning? Do you think the mentally disabled person would be even better at the theoretical topic if they weren't disabled? Your WHM is gimping themselves, if they're good enough to make up for it fine.. but they're still subpar because they could be even better with SCH sub.

Savants

Not saying that WHM that subs RDM over SCH isn't mentally retarded, it's just that there are actual scenarios where a disabled person could perform better than they were if they weren't disabled.

[Carlyle]

RDM is just such an odd choice. I can understand the logic behind White Mage subbing Black Mage, Scholar, and Summoner, but not Red Mage.

[Thorny]

Savants

Not saying that WHM that subs RDM over SCH isn't mentally retarded, it's just that there are actual scenarios where a disabled person could perform better than they were if they weren't disabled.

Change it to bowling or some not-super-physically intensive sport and give them a broken leg instead of a mental disability then. 'twas just an analogy.