Putting this shit to rest: FFXI "Exploits"

[Tymon]

FFXI's set of rules are vague in some areas. I think that they might even be intentionally worded in such a way as to provide grey areas for the people in charge to make their own judgements.

There's always going to be a moral dilemma in games like this where you tread the ground of blatantly illegal and "clever use of mechanics"

I'm not sure if you could use the salvage bans as that kind of ground, I'm really not educated on the subject to know if it was stated anywhere enough to outright classify it as an illegal act.

With that kind of stuff, specifically the salvage bans though, it came down to the moral split between whether it was right or wrong.

It'll happen a lot of ways where, the people that can abuse such a thing and get away with it (not that time, lol) will usually support it tooth and nail, for obvious reasons.

I guess you could say the opposition is "butthurt" but are they really? there's probably a good large many of them that could be doing it, but choose not to for whatever personal reason they might have, maybe just intelligence or fear of being prosecuted.

I'm trailing on here, losing track of my main point. I think that it's because I've talked this into the ground on server forums in the past where the moral highground was a plateau that was an impossibility to reach, or defend against.

[Tymon]

also:

Spoiler: show

Wavedashing is an exploit and you should feel bad for having done it

[BRP]

Did you actually read anything? Goddamn.

[The Blackrose]

Reading? What's that?

[Alleya]

Reading? What's that?

You just did it.

Did I blow your mind?

[Linliel]

Reading? What's that?

Something people did before the internet was invented :O

y'know, in the good old days before electricity and stuff.

[Antithesis]

FFXI's set of rules are vague in some areas. I think that they might even be intentionally worded in such a way as to provide grey areas for the people in charge to make their own judgements.

There's always going to be a moral dilemma in games like this where you tread the ground of blatantly illegal and "clever use of mechanics"

I'm not sure if you could use the salvage bans as that kind of ground, I'm really not educated on the subject to know if it was stated anywhere enough to outright classify it as an illegal act.

With that kind of stuff, specifically the salvage bans though, it came down to the moral split between whether it was right or wrong.

Just because I want to get this out of the way (After reading BRP's post and thinking it over a bit.) The Salvage bannings, when you think about it, is and was the exact same thing as the dupe bannings and the "Tav" glitch bannings. In these cases, no one has an unfair advantage. Cheating is defined as someone who intentionally "breaks" the rules of a given situation and is given a distinct advantage in that situation over other people.

The Salvage dupe was no more illegal than Kiting enemies. As far as the rules of the game were concerned, no one had an unfair advantage because everyone could do it. Were you cheating? No because cheating implies that you broke the rules. All right then, did you have an unfair advantage over others? Nope; because that would imply that only you could do this and no one else.

The only thing that can be debated on is the fact that it was kept secret which is common sense. If we played this game were all we had where updates and no so called "exploits" were fixed, this would have been told to the general public much much sooner than before because there would be no fear of it getting patched.

( BRP please correct me or criticize the post if there is anything you find flawed in those statements. I am basing this off what I have read in your posts. )

[BRP]

Antithesis it is pointless to reply to anything that ever says "it came down to the moral split between whether it was right or wrong." Especially on the topic of videogames, of all things.

It seems fine, but I want to make sure it is understood the only rules you can break in videogames are the ones created outside the game. ie: Tournament rules, Terms of Service, etc. Breaking the rules in any other way is pretty much limited to literally modding the game.