JoL Strategy

[ringthree]

No flames man it's your ls to do as you like. I do think it a tad naive to think that people are more interested in feeling useful than being more efficient. I'd bet that given a vote most woul rather do 3 JoLs in the same amount of time that it's gonna take you to do one.

I can understand your train of thought, but being more efficient allows your members to get their gear that much faster. I've done sea for years and it is a real time-sink. Even going multiple days a week it can take years for someone to get all they want, depending on the size of your group. But if your ls is ok with doing things the slow way, so more people feel involved then go for it dude.

I think you are jaded if you think that people that are doing this new would rather be efficient than be involved. It is only once things get to be old hat that people stop caring about participating and just want to get things done faster.

There is a time when things are new experiences and the gear doesn't measure up to fight itself. We may be well past that time, but only a complete lack of perspective would lead someone to think that their personal need for efficiency means that no one else could be entertained by the activity.

This is definitely a "to each, their own" issue. I don't think it is naive at all, much more likely that people that would demand efficiency over fun and enjoyment have just become brutally jaded.

[Atoreis]

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Sorry for OT but
I'm almost sure that was SAM/war... So yeah no prove sam/rng is good for anything hard.

[drwaffles]

My LS is pretty weak and probably can't even beat an NQ fafnir with 18 people as they don't have HNM experience

Sorry, but what the fuck is "HNM experience"? There are three very simple things to remember when fighting Fafnir - stand on the feet, Stoneskin after Wing and don't get hate from behind. Beyond that you're all just performing your basic functions... RDMs keep debuffs on and Refresh up, WHMs keep Haste up and Cure people, tanks... tank, melee engage and maybe SC, BLMs nuke sparingly with accuracy gear on. How the fuck can people be so completely stupid that they can't handle something that simple?

[Atoreis]

Sorry, but what the fuck is "HNM experience"? There are three very simple things to remember when fighting Fafnir - stand on the feet, Stoneskin after Wing and don't get hate from behind. Beyond that you're all just performing your basic functions... RDMs keep debuffs on and Refresh up, WHMs keep Haste up and Cure people, tanks... tank, melee engage and maybe SC, BLMs nuke sparingly with accuracy gear on. How the fuck can people be so completely stupid that they can't handle something that simple?

4th /blockaid on

[drwaffles]

If you're terrible enough for it to be necessary, sure. To be honest, people wouldn't be trying to MPK you if you didn't suck balls to begin with, depending on your server.

[Atoreis]

I just added basic advice to what You wrote and I got punished after 3 sec. Nice reflex.

Idk why ppl taking all as offence.

/Blockaid on should be turned w/e You are terrible or Elite.

[drwaffles]

I'm just raging because I'll never, ever be able to understand how fully grown adults can possibly suck so badly at such a simple game. A game they've invested enough time in to make it to 75 in the first place. It doesn't make any bloody sense.

[Shinryuu]

It doesn't make any bloody sense to capitalize random words in a sentence either. There might be a relation.

[Atoreis]

I realy want to know why i need to suck to turn /blockaid on?

[Yugl]

Sorry, but what the fuck is "HNM experience"?

ES + Sleep II Rotations.

[Gtype954]

Sorry, but what the fuck is "HNM experience"? There are three very simple things to remember when fighting Fafnir - stand on the feet, Stoneskin after Wing and don't get hate from behind. Beyond that you're all just performing your basic functions... RDMs keep debuffs on and Refresh up, WHMs keep Haste up and Cure people, tanks... tank, melee engage and maybe SC, BLMs nuke sparingly with accuracy gear on. How the fuck can people be so completely stupid that they can't handle something that simple?

I was exagerating when I said they couldn't beat fafnir but what I meant to say it none of them have ever fought a grand wyrm before.
Take 17 ppl that never fought a wyrm before and come to lolseraph and lets see you kill fafnir. I bet 50 bucks no matter how much u tell them to stand at the feet, they will cast a ES burst 2 from the backline at the first 2 secs of the fight, moving the fafnir.


1. People who have never seen or fought a wyrm will most likely get breath attacked at least once during the fight by standing by his mouth. ! or more dumbasses might even spike flail like the lolthf who did a SA sharkbite.

2. its seraph... Idk what server you are from... but what I said is self explanatory and doesn't need to be explained in no more then 2 words.
1. its 2. seraph.

BTW my LS still takes 2 hrs to kill kirin by kite method and even we can kill JOL in less then 1 hour and 10 mins, that was just to show the OP that JOL is not hard at all... not to show that we suck at kirin. These are brand new lvl 75 characters with no merits who just completed G5 no longer then 2 months ago and somehow got sea access as well. some of them haven't even beat CoP yet but barely got sea.
Not everyone is elite like you or me. I like playing with newer people, its fun but alot of them are jackasses and don't understand the concept of standing by a huge monsters feet as a WHM.

You need HNM/wyrm experience to fight fafnir, KB, aspid... noone went 1/1 on fafnir or KB the very first day he got claimed man, so don't give me that bullshit.
For the record I killed nidhogg over 100x so I think I know how to play.

As for your last sentence.... "how the fuck can anyone be so stupid?"
Anyone from seraph quote this in BOLD and tell me if i'm right or wrong when I say "seraph, nuff said" We have lots of casual players now-a-days in this dying game and even the kings go unclaimed now.

[Starr]

Typical Gtype retardness

[Gtype954]

Typical Gtype retardness

How hard is it to comprehend you need "HNM experience"?
Starr you are the biggest troll in the entire world. You contribute nothing to trends but spam and derail them and don't even stay on topic.

-Every LS you have been has been broken and never /tossed.
-Everytime you type, you troll.
-You must live in Mount zhaylom with gurfulur the menace and the rest of the damn trolls.
-You get banned from every single forum known to man including but not limited to,
1.killingifrit
2.alla
3.and even barred from posting on ffxiwiki.org

Suprised you are still on BG... Tekki must have quit ff11 and along with it quit this forum, cause you would have been long gone.

Which kind of troll are you starr?
Multiple choice

A. Troll puppetmaster
B. Gurfulur's bitch
C. Troll Beastmaster (with Pet) Troll's terd.
D. All the trolls in Halvung combined.
E. All of the above


ANSWER:

E. All of the above. You must be the first ever level 99 troll in the history of FF11.

[FailureMidgard]

Which kind of troll are you starr?
Multiple choice

A. Troll puppetmaster
B. Gurfulur's bitch
C. Troll Beastmaster (with Pet) Troll's terd.
D. All the trolls in Halvung combined.
E. All of the above


ANSWER:

E. All of the above. You must be the first ever level 99 troll in the history of FF11.

Hey, D and E are redundant.

Also, anyone who doesn't stand on Faf's front feet after being told "stand directly on 1 of his 2 front feet, do not move in front of his head, do not move to his side, do not move to his back, do not back away from him" should probably be kicked out of the shell. That or your explanation skills are worse than you think they are and you told the new player "hey don't flail it and don't get breathed on" and expected him to know what the fuck you were talking about, in which case you're not a very good leader.

[nakedsnake09]

Mmmm, Fafnir strategies...In a JoL thread?! Jesus fuck, take the drama somewhere else

[Gtype954]

Hey, D and E are redundant.

Also, anyone who doesn't stand on Faf's front feet after being told "stand directly on 1 of his 2 front feet, do not move in front of his head, do not move to his side, do not move to his back, do not back away from him" should probably be kicked out of the shell. That or your explanation skills are worse than you think they are and you told the new player "hey don't flail it and don't get breathed on" and expected him to know what the fuck you were talking about, in which case you're not a very good leader.

oh trust me, we have retards in our server... trust me.
We write an an entire essay on positioning and not to fight in the back.
You will always have that dumbass THF sneak attack him or that mage cast thundaga 3 on it from a distance... (plus he used ga 3 and hit like 5 darters, and wasn't even trying to MPK lol)

I run a salvage LS and we do all the floors and boss in every zone except bhaf (cause u cant), on their first or second run. So I know how to talk and give directions and if you read any of my BG posts, I always write an essay on all of them, so that should give you indication that I type alot and therefore can precise directions on stuff. I type alot hence i'm G-type.

Anyways that is off the subject. I was just trying to tell the OP that if you kill something as easy as fafnir, then you can destroy JOL with 30 people.
The topic wasn't about fafnir, but was about a noob LS that can barely kill 1 kirin in 2 hours but can still destroy JOL 6x in a row with about 1 hr 10 mins a kill with only 15-18 ppl.
He has 30 people for crying out loud. 30 people!
All his sea are belong to us... he can do over 9000! dmg.

[yotevol]

For those that remember me posting this and giving me a lot of strategies:

My LS just completed our first Jailer of Love on Saturday.
We got Novio Earring, Novia Earring and Love Halberd.

I just wanted to thank everyone that helped, made suggestions and gave good advice along the way.

I look forward to many more JoLs!

[Wulfgang]

Congrats; if only we could figure out how to get Novios out of it we'd be set

[illyst]

Love(9, can be reduced further, again good merits/gear required but not relics)
PT#1:
RDM/NINx2 OR RDM/NIN + PLD/RDM OR WHM/SCH + PLD/RDM if you feel your PLD is reliable and confident he will not die to astral flow
BRD/WHM
BRD/WHM
SAM/WAR
THF/whogivesafuck

PT#2:
BLM/RDM
BLM/RDM
BLM/RDM

BLMs should be keeping stoneskin up as much as possible, as the first 9 sets of adds(27 adds total, 9 pops) will include hpemde and xzomit.. hpemde will not die in 3 thundaga3s. However, if all BLMs start a second cast after first goes off, one will get it off uninterrupted and stoneskin gives you a buffer to survive. Good idle sets are a plus. The RDMs should build hate without any attempt to do damage until the 27 adds are gone, as the regen will likely overcome anything you can do and if not it's not going to be noticable damage with this minimalistic of a setup. After the regen is broken, SAM and THF should be getting marchx2 min mad and using pizza.. each blm may do ONE tier 4 spell after they -ga 3 adds before returning to resting for the next set. Fight duration is roughly an hour, 30 minutes of which is waiting for regen to break. You may try to damage it before then, but getting your SAM near hate cap when they likely won't outparse regen by any noticable amount is rather stupid. One of your main party BRDs should be ballading both tanks and casting one set of melee songs, while the other should be casting one set of melee songs and swapping to BLM party. Watch your fucking positioning, nobody should be eating ANY aoe that isn't targetted on them.

Copypasta from 30 seconds of searching(though it was my own post so i guess i knew what to look for)

Yea Necro post i know, but i was wondering when the 3 blms would start nuking summons? As soon as they see summoning animation and cast on the jailer? or just wait until they pop and start attacking someone?

[Braeden]

Yea Necro post i know, but i was wondering when the 3 blms would start nuking summons? As soon as they see summoning animation and cast on the jailer? or just wait until they pop and start attacking someone?

Casting should be on the summons themselves. Once the they spawn they should be running directly for the tanks. So if you cast on JoL and mis-time you'lll be missing them completely. Also the ever-annoying switching of the elements mid-cast and you could end up healing JoL for ridiculous amounts.