Patch 3.3 Deployed on PTR

[Guitarman]

i dunno, i think the 'on use' trinkets from toc are the worst ones to date. Mainly for the fact half of the entire trinket is based on that on-use.

[Plow]

Q: With T10, are we going to see tokens like in Ulduar? or like CC? CC style had every class and spec rolling on same thing.
A: With t10 we're going to see a hybrid. The tier 10 items (the ones with item levels you'd find in the 10-player raid) will be purchased with Emblems of Frost.

The tier 10.5 items (the ones with item levels you'd find in the 25-player raid) will be obtained by getting a token (one that is specific to 3 or 4 classes, much like the ulduar tokens) and using it to upgrade the tier 10 item that was purchased with emblems of frost.

Fucking awesome, no more sitting on shittons of badges with usable upgrades available because you might get token for the higher version the next day.

[Guitarman]

We already knew that 3.3 will let us join cross-server random group for dungeons, but apparently Blizzard is working on a functionality to add the feature to raids!

Fucking BEAUTIFUL. As someone stuck on a no-progression realm, this excites me to no end. I can hang with my friends on this shitty realm and still pug out the higher end content.

By the by, if you guys see a Drenhar, tauren DK sitting in LFR once this pops up, i'm very intelligent, pull strong dps for my gear, and very friendly. hint hint wink wink haha.

[Plow]

lol gl pugging anything past naxx cross server

[Guitarman]

why you gotta shit on my parade?

[Boyiee]

i dunno, i think the 'on use' trinkets from toc are the worst ones to date. Mainly for the fact half of the entire trinket is based on that on-use.

Macro it into your most used ability (sinister strike/mutilate on rogue for example) and you will maximize uptime.

[Blarg]

Wouldn't you want to save the trinket for your bursty CD's to get the most use out of them

[Boyiee]

What about the other 80% of the fight?

[Blarg]

If you have 20 seconds CD left on bf/ar/ks you don't want to have your SS activate a trinket which will make it run out before you can use CD's. I don't know the CD on the trinkets but you can probably time every second trinket use to coincide with a burst CD. If you have time on your CD's then sure use your trinket the second it's ready.

saving a trinket also makes sense for fights where you have increased dmg phases like icehowl stun or twins dmg bonus.

[Plow]

The biggest problem with the current direction of on use trinkets is that they're virtually useless for stuff like Jara portals, they won't stack fast enough for Icehowl dmg boost, shit like that.

[Blarg]

Doesn't it just take 5 attacks to get to max bonus? Shouldn't be too difficult for a rogue, though slightly slower for a combat rogue, I only have experience as mutiliate and I don't have any activate to use trinkets.

[Boyiee]

If you have 20 seconds CD left on bf/ar/ks you don't want to have your SS activate a trinket which will make it run out before you can use CD's. I don't know the CD on the trinkets but you can probably time every second trinket use to coincide with a burst CD. If you have time on your CD's then sure use your trinket the second it's ready.

saving a trinket also makes sense for fights where you have increased dmg phases like icehowl stun or twins dmg bonus.

Then you aren't maximizing uptime, and losing the "passive" bonus that the on use trinkets provide. Not to mention, you are wasting an equipment slot the rest of the time.

Think of it like an on equip trinket or an enchant. Every time it procs, there is X time until it can proc again. If you macro in an on use trinket, it resembles an equip trinket exactly. If you are about to bust heroism, and all your CD's, but your enchants/equip trinkets are on internal CD, then whats the difference - because that for SURE happens quite often.

It's a larger net dps increase than it is a net dps loss for using it only with cd's and lust/hero. You end up wasting the trinket for the time it could have been used and off CD to be used again. If I burst a 1200ap trinket, I'll have it again at at least one other point in a fight, if not 2-3 more times. If I save it for hero/cd's, then I only get that 1200ap once, MAYBE twice. Thats means I'm losing that 1200ap several times during the fight when I could have had it.

It would be a damage increase depending on class/cd's it is used with, but it would be a dps loss not using it to maximum uptime.

[Correction]

Shit's situational, I know I'd save my clicky trinkets for Twins Bubbles, for example.

[Boyiee]

Shit's situational, I know I'd save my clicky trinkets for Twins Bubbles, for example.

I use separate macros depending on the boss. Some bosses I absolutely have to use the on use every CD to maintain my dps... other fights, like twins, I have them setup to be used at specific times.

I agree with it being situational, but it sure is a fun discussion to have. Especially at 12:30am when I'm at work until 7am, gotta make the brain do something or I'll go nuts.

Note: Some fights where my dps suffers some it does help my overall dps if I'm using equips or on use on every CD. Food for thought for anyone who wants to add a few tenths or maybe higher to their numbers. I've been doing it for a long long time and I've always held my own in competitive guilds. Speaking of which, new rogue app to our guild... time to find ways to disassemble him and his app.

[Blarg]

Don't go to extremes since I said that you don't have to save your trinket use if your cd's aren't going to be ready for a while. It will always be better to make the choice yourself (if you are attentive) rather than have it auto macrod to your main attack button. It will be easier to just macro it to SS but not better at all.

It matches CD with BF so you can use it for every BF and if you use trinket + bf + AR at the same time (near the start) your second AR will be ready at the same time as your 3rd trinket + BF. Because you will likely have some off target time these CD's may be off by 10-20 seconds so you will definitely want to keep your trinkets off of a SS macro of any kind.

Fight lengths also determine how many total trinket uses you can get. If you wait 30 seconds avg after CD to re use the trinket in a 5.5 min fight you get the same # of uses whether you wait or not (definitely not 2 or 3 extra uses unless the fight is like 20 mins), 4.5 min fight you get an extra use by using it asap.

Obviously it will vary by fights but with the general matching of cd's with your other cds I think it really won't result in you waiting too long to activate the trinket manually since they should be coming off cd at the same time.

[Dezzimal]

Vengeance stacks pretty quick on pretty much any melee character. Whats stopping you from popping it before the portal spawns on jaraxxus?

[Plow]

doubling the wasted time of buff from target switching as compared to a non-stacking

[Tricen]

Idk about you, but my stacks go to 5 almost instantly on my shaman..

[Eaglestrike]

Damnit...now I need to cap my fishing.

[Plow]

Idk about you, but my stacks go to 5 almost instantly on my shaman..

I r teh ret