Random Question Thread V: But does it 6-hit

[Wolfknight]

How long is Ochuido's Kote viable for SAM? I'm leveling it soon and I'm trying to figure out if it's worth camping or if I should just buy it off the AH and resell it once it serves no purpose.

You'll use til dusk gloves[or hachiman at 75 for 6-hit] pretty much unless you want to buy N kote for 70 > 72.

X-Build > STR Boost was my take on this when I thought about it. I was wondering how other people felt about doing this, and based on the responses, it seems that people tend to agree with this notion.

There plenty of pieces where you can get stp w/o giving up a lot of str, like hachiman feet/+1 or AF +1 legs both +5 stp, you shouldn't need more than +10 stp in ws really, unless your tp set is wacky.

[Johnblaze]

I wasn't really checking up on it, so thank you so much for proving me wrong and letting me know about it, you rock.

np, Apnea is a close friend so whenever I can help someone find his programs... Makes me happy.

[Max™]

Anyone else with an AMK WS head piece noticed it not seeming to work if you equip it and immediately WS?

I was using two macros on Nin, one with shit like ear/waist/neck, and one with all 5 visible slots + a /ws line.

Damage went down below what I get with Ohat, and stayed down, consistently.

Tried putting the visible swaps in the pre-macro, and the other stuff in the WS one, and if I don't spam asap it started giving the damage ranges (specifically a peak I calculated vs my ohat peak) it should have.


Anyone else even aware of augments not being active for a split second after equipping?

[Kaope]

Anyone else with an AMK WS head piece noticed it not seeming to work if you equip it and immediately WS?

I was using two macros on Nin, one with shit like ear/waist/neck, and one with all 5 visible slots + a /ws line.

Damage went down below what I get with Ohat, and stayed down, consistently.

Tried putting the visible swaps in the pre-macro, and the other stuff in the WS one, and if I don't spam asap it started giving the damage ranges (specifically a peak I calculated vs my ohat peak) it should have.


Anyone else even aware of augments not being active for a split second after equipping?

I'm not sure how you usually execute your /ws command, but I usually use line1 > change gear macro, and on line2 > /ws "xxx" <stnpc> and it works fine with me.

[Suit and Tie]

Ares's Sollerets have any use for WAR or DRK?

[mdkuser]

Question for SAMs (I don't have it leveled):

Since SAM WSs are single hit, essentially have capped ACC in most instances, and have high pDIF to boot, what is your take on WSing in a X-hit set? Maybe you do this already, but if not, here's what I'm trying to compare:

DMG gain from STR v DMG gain from keeping a consistent X-hit build

Has there been a comparison of this or is the available sTP gear such that the X-hit build will be the same even if you WS in sTP gear?

you need to find a balance. The only time it would happen for hagun is if you do not have a rajas ring I guess. But you will do that a lot with 5-hit GKs and 480 delay polearms. Because getting 20,0+ Tp for your melee hits *and* ws hit is very important, due to meditate tics (no TP wasted from meditate). This at least during meditate, you can always use less stp on ws and more stp on TP phase outside of meditate.

For example for rindomarus you'll consider using hachiman body and feet over osode+rutters, considering the huge amount of sTP needed (74 for both melee and ws). Same for polearms, although, being a multi hit ws, you have less trouble with sTP during ws if you are confident you can land a few additional hits of penta.

[Max™]

I'm not sure how you usually execute your /ws command, but I usually use line1 > change gear macro, and on line2 > /ws "xxx" <stnpc> and it works fine with me.

I had Ctrl 6 with ear/neck/waist swaps, and Alt 5 with head/body/hands/feet swaps + /ws "Jin" <t>.

Head didn't seem to work when it was equipped/WS fired asap.

Ctrl 6 with head/body/hands/feet, and Alt 5 with ear/neck/waist + /ws "Jin" <t> works if I don't double tap as fast as I can, needs at least long enough for the model to show back up after you blink out before the augments register.

You see it sometimes when you check someone, see the item stats, then the augs load in a second later.

[Argettio]

Ares's Sollerets have any use for WAR or DRK?

Work well for Cata on DRK (mainly modified by attack), and can be used for multi hit WS when you need accuracy.

[Pendulum]

Question for SAMs (I don't have it leveled):

Since SAM WSs are single hit, essentially have capped ACC in most instances, and have high pDIF to boot, what is your take on WSing in a X-hit set? Maybe you do this already, but if not, here's what I'm trying to compare:

DMG gain from STR v DMG gain from keeping a consistent X-hit build

Has there been a comparison of this or is the available sTP gear such that the X-hit build will be the same even if you WS in sTP gear?

I WS with brutal, rajas and myochin haidate +1 which for GK are essentially the same as NQ shura haidate. This gives mea return of 16.5 TP.

Then if i gain TP with +11 sTP (brutal, rajas, ecphoria, myochin legs +1)I gain 16.7/hit which will put me at 100.0 TP after 5 melee hits.

I won't have byakko's till the weekend so TP in AF+1 atm Q_Q. I try to avoid hachiman pieces as much as possible so that i can use dusk gloves and fumas, so once I get byakko's I'll use neuvo with sTP or rose strap to keep the required store TP.

[Clash Perez]

How much RACC does it take to reliably land Slugwinder at 100% TP?

Also, Osode vs Coselete with RACC/RATT+10 for Sidewinder? I'm assuming Osode, so long as the hit to RACC doesn't result in a wiff.

Are there any comparisons of STR vs AGI for Sidewinder on a point-for-point basis? (e.g., 1 STR = 1 AGI, or what have you.)

Against what?

Whoops. Let's just say Colibri, for something of a base-line.

[Thunder]

X-Build > STR Boost was my take on this when I thought about it. I was wondering how other people felt about doing this, and based on the responses, it seems that people tend to agree with this notion.

It only comes up for amano users who want to use sword strap. Or I guess pre-stp merit sams. Otherwise meleeing in hach kote or usukane feet solve this nicely.

Could put in an argument for askar body/rest haste when acc's capped, or a number of different things that wouldn't really make you drop str gear on ws for maintaining stp.

[Starr]

Ares's Sollerets have any use for WAR or DRK?

Rampage bro

[Kidnoftle]

"Massive loss" of ranged accuracy? Were you wearing your Hunter's Jerkin full time? Because if you were in Osode, it's a loss of 5 AGI.

I've gotten plenty of mileage out of Snapshot and Ranged Attack. Food and/or a couple of gear swaps should be sufficient to cover Ranged Accuracy needs, but you shouldn't be hurting that badly with a proper buff line. If you're getting things like double Minuet or Chaos Roll, you're not missing out that badly to use Pot-au-Feu for accuracy instead of eking out a few more points of Attack from Yellow Curry. The difference for Red Curry might be relevant, but it'd be slim.

I wasn't referring solely to the loss of Osode. I was talking with xhit builds specifically in mind. I.E. Loss of 2nd RACC ring for Rajas, 2x axe (dependent on sj obv), switch from Scout's Braccae to Skadi Chausses (3acc loss). Depending on what your tp set up is I would say that this is a signifigant acc loss, 5agi and 15racc (Behe+1 + Scout's).

I really hate missing, pot au feu is my normal food choice, I rarely, if ever, have a brd or cor to support me ergo I would prefer racc +10 on the body piece.

I also have no clue of what you TP in so comparing set ups is kind of a moot point, but I would like to point out that I use hunters beret+1 over ohat for tp as well which is another place where I sacrifice a large amount of racc for theoretically faster tp returns~

[Onorgul]

It really depends what you're fighting. Except that I have Dusk Trousers (working on Usukane before Skadi's, but have 15/25 for Chausses, anyhow), our gear sounds fairly similar. Since I primarily use Ranger for Dynamis, the only place where I tend to suffer is Xarcabard. If you spend all your time on Ranger fighting highly evasive NMs, then I can see your point. I've only recently gotten around to finding a working parser again, so I'll have to see what my numbers are when I do Glacier this weekend.

[TacoTaru]

What does it take to solo Holy Cow on NIN? I don't have /DNC ready yet, but I do have /WHM and /RDM (at least that's what I've heard you use). Will I need to nuke it, or can I kill it with melee just fine?

[Spagnutty]

What's the ACP last fight's Seed of Deference (the charm move) called in the German version of the game?

[Wolfknight]

Ares's Sollerets have any use for WAR or DRK?

do you have homam, aurum, and heca already, if yes to all three probably not, if no maybe sometimes.

[BerenTebogo]

Is wyrm belt better than warwolf or potent for jumps? And if not/situational please explain gogo.

Pictures of jump / high jump sets would make me happy.

[Yugl]

Is wyrm belt better than warwolf or potent for jumps? And if not/situational please explain gogo.

Pictures of jump / high jump sets would make me happy.

It depends on what comes out of the Critical hits thread. I don't have time to give a full explanation, but it comes down to:

Full Ares with ATT/STR/VIT v Critical hit set up. If Wyrm is under consideration, it would only happen in the Full Ares set.

[Khajit]

Full ares is bad for drg anyway on jumps due to that 10% atk boost from af feet.