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  1. #1181
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    Log out freezes your character for 10 seconds, and resets the timer if you are hit during that time, however, if you log out while gliding, glide is not broken and you continue to glide while the logout timer ticks towards 0 until you're logged out if nothing hits you during that time.

    With that said, I have noticed a handful of players lately exploiting this fact to avoid a PVP death. Start gliding down a slope or cliff and press logout, usually this is accompanied by some sort of CC or movement speed debuff beforehand to buy time to get ahead making it virtually impossible to catch up to them within 10 seconds and make a hit before they vanish. The only real counter to this seems to be to throw a dot on them that they can't pot out of before they get a chance to glide off, but most classes don't have this option.

    So why not just camp where they logged out at? When you first log in, change zones, or release to a kisk, you are completely invulnerable for a minute or until you move your char at all or perform an action. You can't be targeted, even an AoE won't work. This means even if you do camp them on login, they can abuse this and just log back out again if the coast isn't clear. This is beyond pathetic.

  2. #1182
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    The alternative is XI's insta-rape by mobs before you even load, which I'm not exactly in favor of. If it gets bad enough, imagine NC will just make it so you can't log while gliding. Overall, it's not much different than people just running to guards in the long run.

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    That's not even the most chickenshit thing people do to avoid getting killed in PvP.

  4. #1184
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    Spend all day waiting for my friends to log on after a remarkably shitty week in game so I can take advantage of double exp weekend. After spending last night not playing the character I want out of respect from my absentee friends (and getting into two Steel Rake parties that went nowhere and one that burned my timer) I spent hours today trying to get an invite. Once I finally did, the group fell apart looking for a cleric. So I dragged myself back to grinding, but not before finding out the hard way that there's two different levels of expert major accessory flux. FML. Gladiator sucks.

  5. #1185
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    Quote Originally Posted by Priran View Post
    That's not even the most chickenshit thing people do to avoid getting killed in PvP.
    It isn't, but its a pretty ridiculous exploit that only started to see widespread abuse recently on my server. It seems like the newest generation of twink rifters on my server from the asmo side are all exploiting this to avoid deaths. Glide seriously needs to be broken when logout is pressed, and imo, it should also take longer than 10 seconds to log out if you have attacked or been attacked recently.

  6. #1186
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    Logging out should take 30 seconds unless you're in a city/town, and shouldn't be available any time stealth isn't available.

  7. #1187
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    I like how the new age of twink 35 sin's exploit hide II. Use Hide II > log out for like 30 seconds > come back in game & have ur timer reset and still full duration of Hide II left. And since the game only lets certain classes see through Hide II for 10/20 seconds on a 3/10 min CD, it makes it practically impossible to find them

  8. #1188
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katlan View Post
    I like how the new age of twink 35 sin's exploit hide II. Use Hide II > log out for like 30 seconds > come back in game & have ur timer reset and still full duration of Hide II left. And since the game only lets certain classes see through Hide II for 10/20 seconds on a 3/10 min CD, it makes it practically impossible to find them
    thanks for the idea ^_^

  9. #1189
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    0/14 on my Armor expert test and going strong. Next time I will definitely buy one off the broker and be done with this bullshit.

  10. #1190
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    Getting force DCed from the server while creating a new character.

  11. #1191
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mabubeezareel View Post
    Getting force DCed from the server while creating a new character.
    This. It seems like you can't even take the time to play with character customization without being booted off and having to start all over again. I generally get booted after about 5 minutes or so of being on the character creation screen.

  12. #1192
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    Fucking sorc 4k dp move

    I was manhandling an equal level sorc and then got one shotted for more damage than I have HP, such bullshit

  13. #1193
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    i encountered more elyos than asmo rifting today in belusian so i just decided to camp jeiaparan and got like 50 or so kills

  14. #1194
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corwen View Post
    Log out freezes your character for 10 seconds, and resets the timer if you are hit during that time, however, if you log out while gliding, glide is not broken and you continue to glide while the logout timer ticks towards 0 until you're logged out if nothing hits you during that time.

    With that said, I have noticed a handful of players lately exploiting this fact to avoid a PVP death. Start gliding down a slope or cliff and press logout, usually this is accompanied by some sort of CC or movement speed debuff beforehand to buy time to get ahead making it virtually impossible to catch up to them within 10 seconds and make a hit before they vanish. The only real counter to this seems to be to throw a dot on them that they can't pot out of before they get a chance to glide off, but most classes don't have this option.

    So why not just camp where they logged out at? When you first log in, change zones, or release to a kisk, you are completely invulnerable for a minute or until you move your char at all or perform an action. You can't be targeted, even an AoE won't work. This means even if you do camp them on login, they can abuse this and just log back out again if the coast isn't clear. This is beyond pathetic.
    Not rly ive used this a few times to avoid being ganked by retarded lvl40/50's when im tryin to do my lvl20ish spy quests. Whats pathetic is how high levels can steamroll anyone expecially magic classes if theyre more than 5 levels or so higher. Whats more is some people will kill lowbies to be complete cuntrags. Had some douche lvl40+ glad camping the rift and killing lowbie lvl20s lookin to do their spy quests. only way to get away is to logoff the moment u port to prevent being ganked on the other side.

  15. #1195
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    That was targeted more at the douchebag twink "PvPers" who rift, try to jump somebody and fail and exploit that to avoid taking a death that would have almost definitely happened otherwise. I don't care so much about people using it to avoid a gank while doing PvE stuff or not looking for a fight, though I still find it a bit lame, but it's really pathetic when it is people who call themselves PvPers exploiting this crap.

    For reference, my 30 sin runs at +71% with sprinting, shoes, and scroll, so I can easily catch most of these people with enough time, but 10 seconds is not enough when they're repeatedly spamming instant/quick cast debuffs that stall me, and while they're gliding, I can't close the gap much if at all since that movement speed doesn't help me when gliding.

  16. #1196
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    did a quick entry dredg: our team ended up as chanter chanter cleric cleric sin glad a f k

  17. #1197
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    Just did a dredgion, too. Enemy side was just 2 assassins who did nothing but train us. Really wish that if you returned to your bind there, the timer would increase like 1 minute per death to just cut down on such bullshit.

  18. #1198
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mabubeezareel View Post
    Getting force DCed from the server while creating a new character.
    it only does that if you were previously logged on a character and logged off then try to create a character

    next time: log in fresh before selecting any character go straight to create: you'll get all the time you want

  19. #1199
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    Today's patch notes.

    http://na.aiononline.com/board/notic...leID=201&page=

    Seriously, they had to link the 2-3 changes they made to the wiki rather than just include them in the notice itself. Lol at "Number of fixes".

  20. #1200
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunnykillah View Post
    Today's patch notes.

    http://na.aiononline.com/board/notic...leID=201&page=

    Seriously, they had to link the 2-3 changes they made to the wiki rather than just include them in the notice itself. Lol at "Number of fixes".
    lol I thought the same thing. That patch was so small they didn't even need to say anything... just ninja it in as maintenance. >.>

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