Job Adjustments and Additions: Part I (10/14/2009)

[Killo]

While this update is not "OMG TO GOOD" its about time they updated RNG. So thank you SE! Now make RNG arrows and bullets cheaper!

[Siniroth]

The November version update will feature a host of welcome refinements for three time-honored professions: rangers, beastmasters, and summoners.

This is kind of funny in a twisted way since I just finished RNG for my Maat's cap a few days ago.

The ranged attack adjustment will be nice for my COR though.

Still crossing my fingers SE adjust BSTs

hmmm

[Siniroth]

to make unlimited shot better it should be during the duration of the unlimited shot effect, no ammo is consumed (30s duration, 5 minute recast, merits can bring it up to a minute)

If they did this I swear I'd lose my PP arrow again =/ that being said I would love this

Edit: damnit I didn't mean to double post, I completely forgot about the above post of mine @_@

[Shin Volcano]

According to JP Button's survey nearly 70% of the people that play on PC use unofficial Windower. According to that same survey, PC users account for 84% of the players. While you're right that not everyone agrees with the use of 3rd party programs, it would appear that the vast majority of the players don't have a problem with them. Also lol @ thinking Spellcast plays the game for you.

This was takin entirly out of context, it was more of an exaggaration, but w/e i guess.
saying playing the game for you was an exaggaration of making it easier for you. of course it dosn't do everything. BUT the way he made it sound was in that sense.

and if it makes it easier for you, of course people will use it. that IS a surprising number of people tho, seeing as SE "dosn't approve of that, yet so many people use it, it's kind of funny in a way.

[Silenka]

There is no way that SE isnt giving new avatar(s) this update....that would be so fucking cruel lol.

Hi, this is SE, have we met? I'm the douchewaffle who gave you such things as /bell instead of new avatars, three mini-expansions with no new avatars, wedding updates and no hint of new avatars, and several interviews saying we were developing new avatars with no followthrough even though we had 2 years and several major updates to implement them in. What cloud of hopefulness did you fall off of to even consider that SE would actually give the players something they have wanted for years, let alone promised they would give, before the wish wears off and no one gives a shit anymore?

[Doink]

With blm and sch both similarly geared, I can honestly say that they are about equal in terms of nuking. After only being asked to come to events as sch to heal, I decided to level blm so I could actually come to an event and nuke. It's not whether blm is better than sch or vise a versa, it's a problem with the current stigma. Even though I can out nuke an average blm on sch any day of the week, I'll still come blm just so I don't end up stuck healing.

We're all in agreement that blm doesn't really need an update, but after all the blm nerfs and buffs to melee's it sure would be nice to get something.

Oh and argument for blm>>sch for events with restore statues/chests. Alacrity and manifestation opens up worlds of fun if you don't have to save your gems for parsimony. For example: 700 mp aspirga > alacrity > blizz4 > alacrity > blizz4>blizz4>thun4. No blm can keep up with that.

[Kaiyoko]

Maybe you should read what "ignorant" is, as you just staed, it "changes the gear for you" i really don't give two bits of a shit who usses it, the orginal point was, dont use examples that bascaily tell ppl "they should use spellcast"

or you can ignore my post and continue being retarded.

1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3. uninformed; unaware.
4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.

Ignorant Definition | Definition of Ignorant at Dictionary.com

Hence if you say "it plays the game for you" you're ignorant by definition on the topic. If you have read into it and still say it plays the game for you then what are you're macros doing for you?

I never said people SHOULD use spellcast. I'm not telling them if you don't use it you fucking fail. I'm saying it does exactly what windower scripts does but giving variables.

I think there is a not-insignificant portion of the playerbase that feels that Spellcast is basically playing the game for you. I'm a heavy user of Windower scripts (what's the point in collecting all this situational gear if you can only swap 6 pieces at a time?), but I don't necessarily want the game automatically using WS the moment I break 100 TP if the mob's HP is greater than 30%, automatically switching the amount of Store TP I'm wearing based on how many times I've been hit, automatically Doubling-Up Evoker's based on my current recasts on Snake Eye/Fold/Random Deal, etc.

This is what I had a problem with because spellcast does not play for you. The only thing it does out of all that's been stated there is it will change gear based on you're current HP. Which you could do yourself by wasting macro space.

[Yugl]

to make unlimited shot better it should be during the duration of the unlimited shot effect, no ammo is consumed (30s duration, 5 minute recast, merits can bring it up to a minute)

I can see lots of unintentional accidents with this.

Btw, do PC macros ever lag? By that I mean not trigger, I['m not referring to the animation or anything like that.

[Baelorn]

Even though I can out nuke an average blm on sch any day of the week, I'll still come blm just so I don't end up stuck healing.

This is the reason I won't level SCH and I'm sure it's the same for a lot of other BLMs. It has nothing to do with people thinking SCH is inferior to BLM.

[Shin Volcano]

Ignorant Definition | Definition of Ignorant at Dictionary.com

Hence if you say "it plays the game for you" you're ignorant by definition on the topic. If you have read into it and still say it plays the game for you then what are you're macros doing for you?

I never said people SHOULD use spellcast. I'm not telling them if you don't use it you fucking fail. I'm saying it does exactly what windower scripts does but giving variables.



This is what I had a problem with because spellcast does not play for you. The only thing it does out of all that's been stated there is it will change gear based on you're current HP. Which you could do yourself by wasting macro space.

What's ironic is that you actually looked up the definition, So you bascialy save macos by letting spell cast "change the gear for you" ok... and what is diffrent exactly? it dosn't "by defintion" play the game FOR you but it DOES things for you that you don't have to do, maybe you looked at what i said the wrong way, should really read more thoroughly. you're calling your self ignorant i guess?

Also: i did not say that you said that..that was the orignal response to the 1st post that i quoted...Which is why i said it. im not sure where this is going, so just going to wave the flag here. words in mouth etc.

[Siniroth]

I can see lots of unintentional accidents with this.

Btw, do PC macros ever lag? By that I mean not trigger, I['m not referring to the animation or anything like that.

Yes if you mean the whole thing, yes if you mean an individual line, but the latter is much much more rare in my experience

[ronin sparthos]

Is it just me but doesn't this make it seem like gun rng's will be getting even more hate now since their sweetspot is closer then bow?

Which makes "sense" given shooting a gun would attract more attention than sniping something from far away?

Gotta love SE using RL logic when they see fit?

[JigglyJam]

HEY SQUARE-ENIX, FIX THE SOULSOOTHER'S "A.I."

It's retarded that the automaton prioritizes -na spells over healing.

The automaton also needs to make better use of Cure and Regen spells. I can't remember the last time it cast Regen and you don't need a Cure V to heal 200 HP.

Shit is rediculous.

[Shin Volcano]

HEY SQUARE-ENIX, FIX THE SOULSOOTHER'S "A.I."

It's retarded that the automaton prioritizes -na spells over healing.

The automaton also needs to make better use of Cure and Regen spells. I can't remember the last time it cast Regen and you don't need a Cure V to heal 200 HP.

Shit is rediculous.

Wait, wasn't there mention of them fixing Automoton AI? or was that a rumor.

[Kametame]

I usually just lurk, but seeing people's mixed reactions on PUP needing an update/being just fine, I've decided to stick my face into the firing line.

-Regarding someone's post about most BSTs/PUPs usually being retarded and gimp. I can't find the post, so I can't remember who said it, but...

Sadly, I've seen this more than often. I'm a [decently geared and skilled PUP (at least I would hope so, look me up in Lakshmi on FFXIAH), so I'm usually left giving advice to many people. By the way, I'm using the MKD headpiece, not sure why it doesn't display.

Usually, it's people that have gotten so used to soloing that they've never learned how to gear and behave in a party setting and that they're quite misinformed.

Then again, there are some idiots that do not take my advice and start donning CHR+ and MP+ gear in parties while going /WHM or /DNC, so you might've had a lot of bad experiences.

- As for the problem with Soulsoother (the WHM auto) casting Silence on mobs with MP.

This is the only time that the scanner is useful, use it, it won't fuck up Cures.

- And to the guy who complains about Aspir/Drain at 75% MP/HP respectively.

At 75, you can macro in enough INT/MND gear (read: much more INT/MND than Spiritreaver), as well as buffoon's collar and AF hands to start tossing up maneuvers as soon as you reactivate your automaton. Having to Deactivate doesn't slow me down at all, and in fact helps me keep tabs on my auto's hate.

As for survivability, between Automaton Oils+2, Role Reversal, and Ventriloquy, I do just fine. Granted, PUP might need something for lower levels though.

The only problems I have with PUP is WHM auto's -na's are prioritized over cures (only on the master though) and the BLM auto's resistance checker doesn't take spell absorption into account (i.e. JoL and Armed Gears, but melee auto destroys both).

[Spider-Dan]

Spellcast will let you to make a macro that says /ja "Something" <t>. Then spellcast will change your gear just like a macro that SE made for you to use enables you to do just with more lines! Not only that but I'm sure you're windower macros do the exact same thing as well.

Spellcast does take it one step further typing /ja "something" <t> into the window or clicking the JA in your list. Is that seriously any different then anyone else that uses windower macros or god forbid you don't use windower macros.

Yeah, you're right, pushing a macro to change my gear, or having a slightly longer macro that changes more gear, is Exactly The Same as a program that detects what game day it is, what time of day it is, what weather conditions are active, which signet/sanction/campaign bonuses are active, and which buffs I have active, and automatically changes my gear for me on the fly as each one of those variables change. No Different At All.

Maybe you should learn something about a program before you start saying it plays the game for you.

The irony meter has exploded!

[arus2001]

Wonder if I'm the only who thinks that, while attention to PUPs isn't a bad thing, SE is going to have to eventually look into their exploiting Deploy and Deactivate for infinite MP and such. Looking at it from the nuking perspective, BLMs and SCHs have to worry about enmity along with MP and SMNs, while not so much on the enmity front, will still run out of MP, too.


As for the whole ignored BLM crap, I'll just say that anything they get needs to involve interaction with others (MBs being the easiest and most obvious angle). Personal defenses or even imitating RDM enfeebles won't change anything, especially on the group EXP front, but simply upping MP efficiency also encourages BLMs to just run off with themselves more and blow things up. So, whether or not many would care to stomach it, the only justifiable improvements would have to come through party buffs that offer more dramatic improvements to others than the BLM themselves. Yet, if people with both SCH and BLM leveled won't play SCH because they hate supporting, I doubt ego would be having them taking such things with a smile even if it meant downing AV/PW with ease.

[FenreyVarn]

Needs more DRK and DNC.

[Knightfell]

This is the reason I won't level SCH and I'm sure it's the same for a lot of other BLMs. It has nothing to do with people thinking SCH is inferior to BLM.

I was worried about that as well when I started leveling SCH, even with that worry it was still worth it, Dark Arts SCH is just that fking awesome. Least if you use your BLM for low man / solo stuff alot.

Thankfully people have learned that having me heal always leads to someone(s) dying (Inattentive-ness ftw!). Though in fairness playing non-raid support on SCH can be fun, it's very easy to keep on top of things and kinda cool to be able to give out nifty aoe buffs.

Sad thing is that I've come to accept SCH as the "BLM update", as the tools and abilities it has is along the lines of how I always wished BLM would be.

Oh, and glad to see BST,SMN and RNG getting some love, here's to hoping their updates don't suck.

[spooky]

I usually just lurk, but seeing people's mixed reactions on PUP needing an update/being just fine, I've decided to stick my face into the firing line.

-Regarding someone's post about most BSTs/PUPs usually being retarded and gimp. I can't find the post, so I can't remember who said it, but...

Sadly, I've seen this more than often. I'm a [decently geared and skilled PUP (at least I would hope so, look me up in Lakshmi on FFXIAH), so I'm usually left giving advice to many people. By the way, I'm using the MKD headpiece, not sure why it doesn't display.

Usually, it's people that have gotten so used to soloing that they've never learned how to gear and behave in a party setting and that they're quite misinformed.

Then again, there are some idiots that do not take my advice and start donning CHR+ and MP+ gear in parties while going /WHM or /DNC, so you might've had a lot of bad experiences.

- As for the problem with Soulsoother (the WHM auto) casting Silence on mobs with MP.

This is the only time that the scanner is useful, use it, it won't fuck up Cures.

- And to the guy who complains about Aspir/Drain at 75% MP/HP respectively.

At 75, you can macro in enough INT/MND gear (read: much more INT/MND than Spiritreaver), as well as buffoon's collar and AF hands to start tossing up maneuvers as soon as you reactivate your automaton. Having to Deactivate doesn't slow me down at all, and in fact helps me keep tabs on my auto's hate.

As for survivability, between Automaton Oils+2, Role Reversal, and Ventriloquy, I do just fine. Granted, PUP might need something for lower levels though.

The only problems I have with PUP is WHM auto's -na's are prioritized over cures (only on the master though) and the BLM auto's resistance checker doesn't take spell absorption into account (i.e. JoL and Armed Gears, but melee auto destroys both).

20 bucks says this is Poof