Job Adjustments and Additions: Part I (10/14/2009)

[Jeryhn]

Yeah not having R2 is a huge advantage.

You were doing well. Why would you bring that up?

Mostly because, in my experience, its true.

I've merited with Bards who wondered why I was casting R1 instead of R2 on RDM. 'Course, these same Bards were also using Madrigal at Colibri camp. We were glad to replace them after they died.

Also Nevex, lack of Haste is an excuse to invite a WHM or an RDM or even a skilled-up SMN over a SCH. Period.
Oh yeah, and there's also 30 seconds between using a charged Sublimation and beginning to recharge where absolutely no form of MP recovery is taking place, unless of course, an RDM is there to cast it on you.

[Ronfar]

Oh yeah, and there's also 30 seconds between using a charged Sublimation and beginning to recharge where absolutely no form of MP recovery is taking place, unless of course, an RDM is there to cast it on you.

SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN

[Destinye]

So is this thread still bitching about SCH being "overpowered despite having a lot of limitations that people conveniently forget about"?

[Shin Volcano]

Mostly because, in my experience, its true.

I've merited with Bards who wondered why I was casting R1 instead of R2 on RDM. 'Course, these same Bards were also using Madrigal at Colibri camp. We were glad to replace them after they died.

Also Nevex, lack of Haste is an excuse to invite a WHM or an RDM or even a skilled-up SMN over a SCH. Period.
Oh yeah, and there's also 30 seconds between using a charged Sublimation and beginning to recharge where absolutely no form of MP recovery is taking place, unless of course, an RDM is there to cast it on you.

Since when is a PT incapble of killing and keeping chain without haste? the pts iv had wth over chain 100 with a sch main healer (no haste) says diffrent.

[Destinye]

Since when is a PT incapble of killing and keeping chain without haste? the pts iv had wth over chain 100 with a sch main healer (no haste) says diffrent.

But, not having haste means you're too inefficient and don't deserve your camp!!!!!1

No point in explaining, because someone will say "but it's not over chain 200!" or something retarded like that.

[Jeryhn]

Since when is a PT incapble of killing and keeping chain without haste? the pts iv had wth over chain 100 with a sch main healer (no haste) says diffrent.

This has more to do with the other people in the party, and not the SCH.

[Kaslo]

So is this thread still bitching about SCH being "overpowered despite having a lot of limitations that people conveniently forget about"?

Yes... /sigh

[Shin Volcano]

This has more to do with the other people in the party, and not the SCH.

You're trolling me, right? cause why in the hell would i mean SCh only? common sense would tell you that means the actual DDs and whatnot. who no matter what job, has very little issues without haste, unless you have a sam/nin or some shit who cant live without shadows

[Vodou]

the only reason sch has not taken blm's spot in end game?
there are so many blms as it is. there is a large number of blms as is.


If this was at the very start of the game, I am willing to bet my E rod that blm would of got a lot of updates to bring it up to par with sch. Its late int he games life and there are a ton of blms, sch came into the game 5 years later and was underpowered, no one says otherwise to that because its true. Updates have now made them ALMOST equal to blm and whm (they have some cool tricks over whm still lets not forget erasega without getting hit anyone?)

A sch can do 90% of what a blm can do, and 90% of what a whm can do. next add on about 50% no other job can do(waits for someone to point out you can not have a percent of nothing, you get the point). AoE stoneskin that is stronger, best phalex AoE, 1min recast on AoE erase without getting hit, obi buffs 100% the time with added int from merits(for ice spells anyways).

sch is the sam of the mage class that is all there is to it. you ask a sch and the answer will be "no they are not overpowered" just because saying so would maybe imply a nerf should happen. I say it about sam all the time, why? i know the answer, I am a sam.

face the facts blm http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...1&d=1255719070 sch

I'm dense (at times at least), and I know you've thought about this. But explain this:

1) I have a blm and no sch. I use him for magic DD (nukes / -gas / no Dots) in endgame, sleepga, stun and soloing of small parties where a nuke / sleep / nuke strat is viable. Pretty much any other time I am on a different job. Exactly WHY would I level sch? What advantage would I have from doing 90% of what my blm already can do?

2) What is the point of arguing that it can do 90% of what other jobs do? Hauby is 95% of a Hauby +1. There are weapons that are 90% of a relic. Many melee DD jobs have many parts that are 90% of another melee job. Do you think that doing 100% of what other jobs / items can only do 90% of is a sore point? If so, why stop there?

Myself, I lost interest in this thread when some people started crying over a job that is useful in almost EVERY endgame event (not to mention its soloing abilities.) Many other jobs (mnk my fav included) have limited or no role in most HNM events.

The reason there are SO many blm is because people can and do use the job. Its ironic that we think SE has to 'fix' something that works because something else works almost as well. This is jealousy.

I am all for smn and bst getting more. Hopefully one day, SE will figure out a way to give mnks, pups, dncs, and a couple other jobs a more legitimate role to play in endgame as well.

[Spider-Dan]

Since when is a PT incapble of killing and keeping chain without haste? the pts iv had wth over chain 100 with a sch main healer (no haste) says diffrent.

I can get easily chain 100 with 5 people. Does this mean that a 6th party member is unnecessary and excessive?

[Gergall]

Mostly because, in my experience, its true.

I've merited with Bards who wondered why I was casting R1 instead of R2 on RDM. 'Course, these same Bards were also using Madrigal at Colibri camp. We were glad to replace them after they died.

I'm not following how lack of R2 is an advantage. Are you saying that it allows you to replace bad bards? I'm pretty sure it is possible to replace a bad bard even if you have access to R2. In fact, I don't think these things are even remotely correlated.

[Gergall]

I can get easily chain 100 with 5 people. Does this mean that a 6th party member is unnecessary and excessive?

I actually wonder...since adding the 6th member reduces the XP/kill.

[chiyio]

I actually wonder...since adding the 6th member reduces the XP/kill.

Depends how fast you're killing. If adding a 6th member will increase your kill time, but not overtake mob repop rate, then yes adding a 6th will help as you will kill more mobs in an hour. If the 6th member fails to increase kill time, then you wind up with less kills in an hour, unless its a cor who's throwing on cor's roll.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Depends how fast you're killing. If adding a 6th member will increase your kill time, but not overtake mob repop rate, then yes adding a 6th will help as you will kill more mobs in an hour. If the 6th member fails to increase kill time, then you wind up with less kills in an hour, unless its a cor who's throwing on cor's roll.

Even with relics, the likelihood of 'really' running out of targets at Nyzul is pretty slim. I highly doubt most people have ever seen it happen(unless of course you're just talking about birds, in which case you should leave the camp regardless).

[SephYuyX]

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whm, brd, mnk/nin, sam/war

[Tsuko_Asura]

Had you died recently?

[Valkrish]

BLM will go down in the history of FFXI as the job that never got an update.

/THREADofFFXI

[Damane]

sch is the sam of the mage class that is all there is to it. you ask a sch and the answer will be "no they are not overpowered" just because saying so would maybe imply a nerf should happen. I say it about sam all the time, why? i know the answer, I am a sam.

face the facts blm http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...1&d=1255719070 sch

sorry but this is so wrong, sch is by all means nowhere near replaceing whm or blm. I have whm blm sch lvld and I prefer and only go mainhealing as a whm, the latest updates to whm have evened out the field and even put the advantage on the side of the whms.
As for the nukeing part, I use blm when its a event that requires an alliance
I use sch when its a lowman event and there might be the need of some nukes here and there.

for me its:
healing: allways go on whm
nukeing: blm for large scale battles, sch for small groups
something in between that has healing, nukeing and stunning covered: sch.

I must say tough that I dont even play that much sch anymore. Its far from an overpowered job, a SCH is limited to the amount of MP and will run dry very fast if he is nukeing AND healing alot at the same time. He can do it for a short period of time if shit hits the fan, but its limited. And if your charges are allready down then good luck lulz.

[Xno Kappa]

Kind of sad the only thing really separating BLM from SCH is gear selection.

[Deader2818]

Kind of sad the only thing really separating BLM from SCH is gear selection.

And Stratagems charges.