Job Adjustments and Additions: Part I (10/14/2009)

[Kaiyoko]

Again I'll ask..what do BLMs need? It's still heavily used end-game from what I see so I don't see how it's been pushed aside like..oh say..PUP and DNC which barely even get parties, let alone invited end-game.

People just like to bitch that they don't get attention for X favorite job and then QQ when SE's love child gets an adjustments every other patch that buff it. BLM is mainstream and highly useful. The only thing wrong with it is that you need to solo to 75 now.

If anything BST and PUP needs an update as once they hit 75 they have absolutly no role outside solo.

People that play PUP or BST are generally retarted and gimp. Thus they look worse then any other job and no one likes them :D

Plus you give up some things when you gain the ability to solo from how SE created the jobs by the looks of it.

[hagun]

You haven't read much on XIV are you. There will be no auto attack in XIV.

Correct, I've read very little on FF14. I wonder what is their justification on disallowing auto-shoot. It certainly not difficult to implement. Maybe they feel that ranger is a class that shouldn't submit to watching your character beat on a mob without input every 5 seconds like the majority of DD.

[Dymlos]

People just like to bitch that they don't get attention for X favorite job and then QQ when SE's love child SAM gets an adjustments every other patch that buff it. BLM is mainstream and highly useful. The only thing wrong with it is that you need to solo to 75 now.

fixed!

[dejet]

Ranger will still only get used in 4 places:

1) ACP final fight
2) Ixion
3) Odin
4) Dynamis Lord if you don't have something better
5) Kirin (none TP burn)
6) JoL (pure sex)
7) Take the place of any DD on almost anything


Until there is an update that says "Haste will now affect the firing rate of ranged attacks" ranger will just not be an option in merit/nyzul/limbus/etc.

fixed

think its called snapshot?
ranger can be used anywhere. Can DD very well. well geared rangers can keep up with almost any other DD just fine.

I like rangers on omega, gig zone not bad to have em. merit pts i see rangers all the time doing good dmg. ya its not the BEST but shit there can only be one best.

[Shin Volcano]

Good opportunity for youmad.jpg eh.

No, BLM doesn't -need- an update, but it certainly could use some JA love from SE.

Eh, i do seem angry with these posts, i'll admit lol, but every update it's the same thing "what no blm? waaaaah" etc, if they ever do get one, great, something to play with, but im not gonna QQ if they don't. but what possible JA could you give BLM?

[Kaiyoko]

fixed!

Yeah I said that, SE love child is SAM. Doesn't really need to be stated.

[Riki]

what possible JA could you give BLM?

Conserve MP button

[Corrderio]

I don't know. But again, I've said a bunch of times, BLM doesn't -need- anything (aside from the need to be re-integrated into standard exp parties). It'd just be nice to get a new toy or two to play with.

I think that's the main issue though. SE can't think of anything to give BLM w/o breaking it.

[dejet]

Eh, i do seem angry with these posts, i'll admit lol, but every update it's the same thing "what no blm? waaaaah" etc, if they ever do get one, great, something to play with, but im not gonna QQ if they don't. but what possible JA could you give BLM?

tell me what job needs an update more?

rdm? got one
pld? got like 5
smn? got one(ok maybe just because we have been getting an avatar for 4 years now)
ranger? got one,(oh right getting one again)
sam? got like 5
cor? got one
pup? got a few(we went over this in this very thread so ya do as you please)
blu? new spells all the time good or not still new toys(more toys then anything else int he game)
bst got one(maybe one still)
whm?got one
war?got one
drk? got like 5
sch? got like 5
nin? got one
mnk?got one(still needs one for end game outside salv)
drg? got one+ best fing WS.
dnc? maybe
bard? lulz fuck no

I am missing some jobs but ya really they all have seen something even if they did not need it.the point is not need its why the fuck should I play the same way on a job forever. I started lvling sch just because its something i sorta wished blm had got. better with MP.

blm is THE only job that has not seen anything at all.
I am a rdm blm smn sam bard whm Only job i want to see something new for is my blm,(avatar be nice too) fact stands no job should live with the same play for 7 years with no change at all. drk's where job changing, spikes to live longer, drain II to live longer abso acc giving more use to their spells. Change of pace is nice fyi thats what I want with a blm update.

[Cream Soda]

If you call footwork an update, then retrace is an update. Take mnk off that list or put blm on it.

[Jeryhn]

Only thing I could see SE giving BLMs is an ability that's mirrors DNC's ability to chainbound something... Only make it work for magicbursts.

Effect duration could be long enough for a BLM to cast a tier4 and land the MB, but not an AM2. However, its use could be timed with other BLMs in a BLM party for an event or a manaburn party to allow them to MB without the need for a skillchain.

[dejet]

If you call footwork an update, then retrace is an update. Take mnk off that list or put blm on it.

footwork can be used to deal BIG dmg every few min. retrace can not its a tele that anyone can spend 200 AP on to get.

I would be just fine seeing a JA that cuts enmity for the next cast or something much like that.

Id also be fine with taking monk off the list, it also has been screwed with for a long time. They could use an update

[Cesaria]

This x1000. BST is the one unique job that has a solid path to soloing to 75 (on real mobs I mean, of course), why do people seem to want to homogenize it to be yet another not-as-good-as-SAM party melee job? There's lots of those to choose from already.

Seconded, I wish to hell that those BST who want to be as good as a WAR or a DRK but with added sheepskin would just leave the job alone. I LIKE how BST is, I LIKE how BST plays, I still rank it as my main job - just it's not one I tend to bring to events much (same as many jobs really - BST isn't unique in that aspect). I'm sick to death of people whining for melee buffs for it - when that's akin to using an elastoplast to fix an amputated head in terms of the narrow-mindedness of endgame in general anyway. SE could give BST the ability to fart lasers out of their arse while mounting a cannon on the top of CourrierCarrie... you're still not going to get to go to Dynamis on it guys.

What I fear will happen is that SE will have listened to the whining idiots who want to be ZOMG UBAR DDS (and they're usually the idiots whose definition of "melee gear" is to change the light staff - cos HQs are elitist yo- for an axe and occasionally to have bought a hauby), and will make changes that directly impact upon BST's ability to solo - which is why I love the job (I'd rather deal with pets that mischarm and rip your head off than the idiots who populate the servers on some days)... I'm sceptical of how SE can ever adjust BST properly yet keep the spirit of the job which attracts people to it - and I fear the worst (I'd just picked BST up when the despawn patch came in, had a lot of BST friends - the reason I'd picked BST up - so I did see just how badly it impacted upon the job).

What I'd LIKE - releasing the unreleased jug pets in the dats - come on give us the HQ white bunny jug already SE!
A splitting of the sic timer in the same way blood pact got split into rage/ward, allowing at least some choice between offensive/defensive sics. Yes Carrie is still going to bubble shower a heck of a lot - but surely part of playing BST is knowing the range of TP moves your pet has available to you, if you pick Carrie expecting it to suddenly become something with the offensive might of the US military - it's a fucking crab... why do you think we exped on the fuckers for so many levels?!

What I fear BST will get:
Pet emotes - dancing CourrierCarries anyone
Breed your own jug pet pokemon that will still be outperformed by Funguar Familiar available from an NPC.
A nerfing of charm when BST is subbed - however flaky it is in terms of game mechanics - it's always been a nice side-perk and reward for having got the job to 75.

I'll never get the mentality of those who want BST made into a melee god - quite why people level jobs that are by their very nature, eccentric, different, unique and then desperately scream to get them made into the mainstream stuff that people turn to those jobs to avoid - I'll never know. Anyone looking into BST learns pretty sharpish that it's a slow road to 75, often with detours to 74 and it offers the widest range of comedy deaths available in the game. For the love of God SE, don't listen to the idiots who are having to level it for Maat's Cap, don't understand the job and hate the fact it's not something overpowered like SAM.

[Riki]

I think that's the main issue though. SE can't think of anything to give BLM w/o breaking it.

Personally i think the main issue is that they have one single person on all the job adjustment stuff. And that person has always been completely out of touch with the playerbase.
Suggestions on how to adjust BLM have been around for years. That stuff has been discussed over and over and over. But with only a single person responsible for adjustments, it just takes too long to get through.
Some community manager has to browse forums and make a priority list. Then some that stuff has to be translated into japanese. Then the person responsible for the changes has to think of a way how to implement it without breaking balance. After that is done it has to be tested. The whole process takes way too long and is too complicated. And the whole FFXI team working on a budget by now does not really help the issue.

[Corrderio]

Only thing I could see SE giving BLMs is an ability that's mirrors DNC's ability to chainbound something... Only make it work for magicbursts.

Effect duration could be long enough for a BLM to cast a tier4 and land the MB, but not an AM2. However, its use could be timed with other BLMs in a BLM party for an event or a manaburn party to allow them to MB without the need for a skillchain.

That's a good idea.

[Shin Volcano]

If you call footwork an update, then retrace is an update. Take mnk off that list or put blm on it.

^ This pretty much,

They had retrace as a spell, that is considerd an "update" so they have gotten somthing, Footwork is a fucking joke for mnk, it has no practical use outside of watching your self kick, lowering your dot which is about the only real things mnks have as an advantage, it raises your spike damage, yes, but over time, you do less damage then a MNK punching, i dont know wtf they were thinking with that crap,

[Kaiyoko]

tell me what job needs an update more?

rdm? got one
pld? got like 5
smn? got one(ok maybe just because we have been getting an avatar for 4 years now)
ranger? got one,(oh right getting one again)
sam? got like 5
cor? got one
pup? got a few(we went over this in this very thread so ya do as you please)
blu? new spells all the time good or not still new toys(more toys then anything else int he game)
bst got one(maybe one still)
whm?got one
war?got one
drk? got like 5
sch? got like 5
nin? got one
mnk?got one(still needs one for end game outside salv)
drg? got one+ best fing WS.
dnc? maybe
bard? lulz fuck no

I am missing some jobs but ya really they all have seen something even if they did not need it.the point is not need its why the fuck should I play the same way on a job forever. I started lvling sch just because its something i sorta wished blm had got. better with MP.

blm is THE only job that has not seen anything at all.
I am a rdm blm smn sam bard whm Only job i want to see something new for is my blm,(avatar be nice too) fact stands no job should live with the same play for 7 years with no change at all. drk's where job changing, spikes to live longer, drain II to live longer abso acc giving more use to their spells. Change of pace is nice fyi thats what I want with a blm update.

BLM got an update when merits came out along with teir 2 merits. Maybe you wern't around then.

They changed m. acc on using the same spells over and over (guess that's a nerf but attention none the less!)

[Cream Soda]

footwork can be used to deal BIG dmg every few min. retrace can not its a tele that anyone can spend 200 AP on to get.

I would be just fine seeing a JA that cuts enmity for the next cast or something much like that.

Id also be fine with taking monk off the list, it also has been screwed with for a long time. They could use an update

Any situation where footwork would be even halfway useful, you'd be better off changing to a 2hand job. It's a joke

[dejet]

BLM got an update when merits came out along with teir 2 merits. Maybe you wern't around then.

They changed m. acc on using the same spells over and over (guess that's a nerf but attention none the less!)

Magic acc NERF is not an update, then wed have to throw onto the super day they gimped ranger dmg. Also by that logic nin did not need an update they got their "shadow nerf" Monk got their "h2h nerf" on -delay not to long ago. Nerfs do not count lol.

T2s was for everyone, you cant set a group of merits up and not give it to ONE job.

to the other people Id agian be fine with taking monk off the list footwork is crap.

[Nishida]

Heh why are PUPs hoping for updates? I've seen some pretty amazing PUPs hold their own, much like DNC, have to face facts that the community is so hell bent on not changing the set pattern nothing SE can do will change the player's mind, BLU is the only job that got lucky.

Am I the only person who thinks BLU needs an tweak update? I'd love to see a Sublimation ability, maybe watered down, for BLUs. New spells every time a new zone comes out is exciting and all, but 9 times outta 10 they are pretty useless. Triumphant Roar is a cheap STR+3..but the MP vs. duration makes it sort of a waste of MP. Sub-Zero Smash with full MND gear the para still hardly procs on most normal mobs let alone HNMs. Fast Cast JT is nice, but it costs like 500 points to set. Meh..I'm happy with BLU's state though..I just wish it was more MP efficient. You can't do any comparable damage without spamming your big 3, and then boom you're outta MP and resting. Otherwise you're stuck as a Cannonball whore. Woo I get to cast one spell! =\