NFL Week 6: It's a gimme.

[Weltall]

Fisher will be the Cowboys head coach within 30 seconds of being fired, and he would win a Superbowl with that crap team as well.

[tyven]

i dont think jerry jones is smart enough to hire fisher. he would probably go after jim zorn

[Plow]

I heard he was after Bob Stoops.

[Kyreth]

Four field goals and a safety mofucka!

As I said before, KC got into the endzone.

With their defense. By sacking the Skins QB.

KC actually can score TD's. It's just that against the Deadskins, you don't need to.

[Kyreth]

WTF? Campbell is starting against the Eagles? Blasphemy!

Would you rather see your starter QB next season get mangled by Philly, or the guy you're going to chuck under the train?

[Kyreth]

i dont think jerry jones is smart enough to hire fisher. he would probably go after jim zorn

Which would be the best thing Washington could do towards winning the next time they played the Cowboys. They deserve each other.

[Sol-Blackguy]

Would you rather see your starter QB next season get mangled by Philly, or the guy you're going to chuck under the train?

Good point, but I think Campbell might get pulled (hopefully earlier) when he continues to fuck up. I'd like to see Collins start next year, but Snyder might pick up some top-dollar QB if Campbell gets released. I wish he would stop treating the team like he's playing a fantasy league.

[Mizango]

i dont think jerry jones is smart enough to hire fisher. he would probably go after jim zorn

After he hands the reigns over to Jason Garrett for 5 years and 100 million dollars.

[Kyreth]

Good point, but I think Campbell might get pulled (hopefully earlier) when he continues to fuck up. I'd like to see Collins start next year, but Snyder might pick up some top-dollar QB if Campbell gets released. I wish he would stop treating the team like he's playing a fantasy league.

I'm actually hoping that Campbell does his usual (fail), then Collins comes in to get some time over the next few games. And halfway through the season, after Collins has gotten some time to work with the team in real games, they bring him in to start and let him start to get used to what's going to be his job next year- trying to lead a broken team back into respectability.

Of course, as long as Zorn is at the helm, that's doomed to failure. A spiritless coach for a soul-less owner means a lifeless team. An apathetic swamp of suckitude.

[Rem]

After he hands the reigns over to Jason Garrett for 5 years and 100 million dollars.

"God's In His Heaven... All's Right With The World"

[Marootsoobutsu]

The biggest knock on the Fridge was that he was fat and slow, which he was. He was never in any kind of shape, he was just a huge, fat guy that could use his weight to stop freight trains.

Um... while the Fridge wasn't going to win any footraces over 15 yards, for the distance a DT usually goes, he was very, very quick. There had been other guys who were simply huge before-- the Fridge was still big, mind. But what really got him his popularity was being big *and* quick. It was his quickness, and beating offensive linemen with it, that prompted Ditka to put him in at running back.


As far as concussions, there are already concussion proof helmets available; I have no idea why more players aren't wearing them-- they are NFL legal, but not NFL mandatory. The buzz on them is they reduce the likelihood of concussions by up to 31% (Helmet technology could reduce football concussions for an article on the study). It's the helmet Paycheck Manning wears... not that that makes it super-awesome-cool, but dude definitely does what it takes to protect himself. It would be nice if the NFL would put concussion protection more into the forefront, instead of hiding it like the dirty little secret it is. The more about concussions that medicine learns, the more care should be taken to avoid them. If that means that the two most exposed positions get to wear their little pink dress, fine. Entertainment = good; having all your heroes end up shriveled, crippled shells of what they once were ala Ali = bad.

[Mizango]

"God's In His Heaven... All's Right With The World"

lol

[Man0warr]

GAC said yesterday that next year the Cowboys coaches will be Fisher as Headcoach and Norv Turner as OC, since they are both being fired after this year - I actually wouldn't mind that

[Meepein]

Um... while the Fridge wasn't going to win any footraces over 15 yards, for the distance a DT usually goes, he was very, very quick. There had been other guys who were simply huge before-- the Fridge was still big, mind. But what really got him his popularity was being big *and* quick. It was his quickness, and beating offensive linemen with it, that prompted Ditka to put him in at running back.

Oh, I will not argue that, for his size, he might have been considered quick back then. However, I would bet that players of the same bulk in today's NFL have far more quickness with the same overall fatness. While I don't have the numbers to back it up, I would be shocked if someone like Wilfork had slower times than Perry. And, I am using Wilfork mainly cause he is about the same size, but if you look at bigger guys like Haynesworth, who is damn quick for a guy his size, then you start seeing how things have changed. My point is, if you put a mediocre modern-day DT onto an elite 80's defense, that guy would dominate, and if you put an elite 80's DT into a modern-day defense, he might start but probably have much less impact. Different eras and the like.

And, yeah, all players (not just QB's, all players) should have concussion-proof helmets. All. Granted, that might open up more spearing due to the 'I'm invincible' feeling they might get (thus, having some fools break their necks), so coaches at all levels should stop teaching these dudes to lead with their heads. Yeah, we all want to see a good, hardhitting game of football. But, I don't think anyone wants to see some dude get a serious concussion or spinal injury.

Though, I would guess Miz wants Clutch to break his legs or something, maybe in a freak play when he scrambled to the sidelines and ran into Fox, breaking his legs too, but that is neither here nor there.

[Flarega]

No he couldn't break fox's legs. The panthers wouldn't be able to fire him for fear of being sued due to cripple discrimination.

[Nystul]

On the size/strength/speed issue:

Lets also not forget (or learn for the first time) that as far back as the 50's and 60's weight training was a new and unusual form of training. And to add to that, certainly athletes in the 60's and 70's were far less likely to be training with weights from HS on up as they are these days. Most big-conference college senior linemen are stronger and faster than those of 20-30 years ago. The game is vastly different.

[Marootsoobutsu]

So, Jay Cutler just signed a deal that should get him about $50M more than he was getting through the end of 2013. In honor of this, I thought I'd do a head-to-head of the other QB in that mix-- Kyle "Miz Thinks I'm Jesus" Orton.

Record: Jay Cutler is 3-2 (with both loses coming in games where he had 2+ INTs and decided by 7 points or less); Kyle Orton is 6-0.

Touchdowns: Jay Cutler 10; Kyle Orton 9.

Interceptions: Jay Cutler 7, all in meaningful play. Kyle Orton: 1, a garbage hail Mary to end the first half.

Fumbles: Jay Cutler 5, 1 lost. Kyle Orton 1, 0 lost.

Completion Percentage: Jay Cutler 64%. Kyle Orton 63,9%.

Yards per Game: Jay Cutler 240.2; Kyle Orton 244.2

Yards per Attempted Pass: Jay Cutler 7.0; Kyle Orton 7.6

Passing First Downs: Jay Cutler 58; Kyle Orton 71

Sacks taken: Jay Cutler 10; Kyle Orton 9

Passer Rating: Jay Cutler 86.9; Kyle Orton 100.1

[Nystul]

No man is an island. Those numbers have a lot more to say about the defense, offensive line, pass catching ability and experience, and running games of the two teams than they do about the QB's themselves.

[Marootsoobutsu]

No man is an island. Those numbers have a lot more to say about the defense, offensive line, pass catching ability and experience, and running games of the two teams than they do about the QB's themselves.

Oh, I definitely agree. That's part of the point of the whole thing.

Last year, through week 6, these were Cutler's stats:

Record: 4-2
Touchdowns: 12
Interceptions: 5
Fumbles: 3, 1 lost
Completion Percentage: 64.1
Yards per Game: 282.3
Yards per Attempted Pass: 7.4
Sacks taken: 2
Passer Rating: ~97.7

The offensive line is exactly the same in Denver as it was last year, and so are the receivers. Through week 6, Denver's running game was in the top ten in rushing. The defense is the major difference, sure, but both games Denver had lost last year through week six, Cutler had 2 turnovers (in fact, all but two of Denver's losses last year game in games where Cutler had 2 or more turnovers).

Right now, Orton has a better passer rating than Cutler did with mostly the same offense. He has about the same completion percentage. He has a better average yards per catch. He has fewer INTs. And if you end the game in San Diego in week 2 at Cutler's fumble, it's 3-3, with one more turnover and one less passing TD.

Cutler is doing about the same this year as he was last year, or worse, no surprise. But Kyle Orton is doing as well in Denver this year as Cutler was last year. Fewer passing yards, but fewer passing attempts; fewer TDs, but a phenomenally better TD:INT ratio. Say what you want about the Denver Broncos making Orton a better QB-- they made Cutler a significantly better QB, too.

[Nystul]

people in chicago used to dog orton like crazy. I thought he was ok. On the whole he usually made decent decisions (especially compared to Rexy) and played smart. TBH, I think one of the best ways to predict a QB bust is if he comes out of college described as "physically gifted." Neither of the mannings are throwing 70 yards from the knees or running fast 40 times, they are just smart. Montana wasn't the biggest arm. Just made good decisions. When I think of smart QB's I think of Montana, Manning, Brady. Not to many qb's that one would call "physically gifted" are in the hall of fame.