Dead Server Syndrome?

[Neb]

Well Baha has lost enough players that I cant find a 100GS person anymore. Slone is never logged in when I play, neither is Sparin or Riru (sp) the only 3 I know of and its hell 5days with mats and cant find anyone. I have stooped down to /checking people at ah with aprons and hanging our in Bastok at the GS guild still no luck :/.

[drwaffles]

Well Baha has lost enough players that I cant find a 100GS person anymore. Slone is never logged in when I play, neither is Sparin or Riru (sp) the only 3 I know of and its hell 5days with mats and cant find anyone. I have stooped down to /checking people at ah with aprons and hanging our in Bastok at the GS guild still no luck :/.

Zira - Bahamut - FFXIAH.com

To be honest it's a flawed ideal that the entire population of server should have to rely on a select few people to craft high-level recipes for them. Crafting is supposed to about making things for your own personal usage, not purely about HQ'ing shit for cash. If there's a lack of players with a certain 90+ craft on a server, other people should take the initiative to start levelling crafts themselves to fill the gap, not sit around whining about how there's no one to craft their stuff for them.

[Neb]

I have a 100+6 craft sorry I didnt lvl GS. I have taken the initiative jesus no need to jump all over someone you don't know.

[drwaffles]

I'm not jumping on anyone, I'm making a general comment.

[Gergall]

Holy crap. That's the best FFXI story I've heard in a while. Someone is actually doing Besieged as SE intended.

SE intended for you to destroy the mirrors to delay Beseiged.

I don't think SE intended for some guy to chastise players who destroy mirrors because it messes with the Beseiged schedule that he calculates and puts in his seacom.

[ronin sparthos]

SE intended for you to destroy the mirrors to delay Beseiged.

I don't think SE intended for some guy to chastise players who destroy mirrors because it messes with the Beseiged schedule that he calculates and puts in his seacom.

I think he meant more along the lines that Rusban acts as "the sixth general" in terms of telling people Besieged is coming, rescues captured npcs and during the sieges this guy shouts where the real Eidolic Qufeel Ja is along with trying to rally people to kill boss monsters for bonus EXP.

Honestly I find his crazed nature towards the event to be awkwardly funny, though I really wish he took that fanaticism to Campaign since that's where Lakshmi could use the support.

[Burnsy]

Honestly after 6 years on Ragnarok, I know things have wound down, at least for the NA community. I know personally my friend list is like nothing but offline contacts, with more and more people quitting/breaking/playing other stuff all the time. Most times when I do care to login I just do campaign for an hour or two, maybe chat with friends, and kinda just piss around. Most the people shouting in WG are non-english speaking EUs needing CoP missions, barely anyone merits and finding a party in general after 65 (that isn't level synced to 37 or 55) is damn near impossible.

While our raw numbers don't show it, the amount of NA players has dwindled to almost rediculous levels.

It sucks when people you enjoy doing stuff/chatting with leave for whatever reason, and generally it takes alot of work to rebuild those relationships. People who say "just make new friends" don't know wtf a friend really is, even in a online relationship. People don't just go along with a whole new crew and work at 100% efficiency, something those of us who frequent BG often strive for. I personally have tried for the last 6 months since leaving HNM create/join a EST based salvage group, to little or no success. I'm also really picky when it comes to people I'll do things with, but that's my own problem, but it doesn't help when the available pool of people I'd WANT to do shit with is all but dried up.

NA's have a generally shorter attention span than other gamers in my opinion and alot of them have moved on because of one flaw in SE's game design or another. Bannings of one form or another also contributed to this, there's no question. Aion being new and pretty and more open to what people have wanted from FFXI without dealing with blizzard's terrible graphics in WoW, makes it all that much worse. This is an old game, how many of you still play Final Fantasy 7, or 8, or 9, or even 12 on the daily?

People meet their goals, and then they are done, it's just the way of things.

[BerenTebogo]

And as stated, even a small server consolidation would fix all of this.

Nobody on your server you like anymore? I'm sure you can find a few people you like during a server merge. And if you can't, your problem isn't FFXI.

[Burnsy]

And as stated, even a small server consolidation would fix all of this.

Nobody on your server you like anymore? I'm sure you can find a few people you like during a server merge. And if you can't, your problem isn't FFXI.

I completely agree with you, but you know alot of people have the "I started here, I'll end here mentality", and forcing a merge might drive some of those people away.

I'm not even trying to say there aren't alot of cool people left on Rag, but I was just commenting on some things that other Rag people had said.

Personally, I'd think it'd be kick ass to merit with you Sath, but you'd probably laugh at me and call me gimp since my MNK and NIN was made obsolete with the introduction of full usukane. :D

[Chakra]

Zira - Bahamut - FFXIAH.com

To be honest it's a flawed ideal that the entire population of server should have to rely on a select few people to craft high-level recipes for them. Crafting is supposed to about making things for your own personal usage, not purely about HQ'ing shit for cash. If there's a lack of players with a certain 90+ craft on a server, other people should take the initiative to start levelling crafts themselves to fill the gap, not sit around whining about how there's no one to craft their stuff for them.

You say it like it does not take much time or gil to level a craft to 100. On top of that, you can only be proficient in one craft. So, you're saying if you are only proficient in smithing and need a high level clothcraft item you are expected to create a mule and level clothcraft for a couple of days straight just to turn out an item that you could have bought multiple times over through someone else in the crafting community to already make for you + tip? Pure genius, sir.

[BerenTebogo]

I completely agree with you, but you know alot of people have the "I started here, I'll end here mentality", and forcing a merge might drive some of those people away.

I'm not even trying to say there aren't alot of cool people left on Rag, but I was just commenting on some things that other Rag people had said.

Personally, I'd think it'd be kick ass to merit with you Sath, but you'd probably laugh at me and call me gimp since my MNK and NIN was made obsolete with the introduction of full usukane. :D

MNK/WAR should still destroy almost everything if you have a very well geared RDM healing with BRD + COR.

And can't please everyone all the time, people quitting because there is nobody to play with < people quitting because they're whiny bitches.

There's a TON of people I'd love to play with all over. I welcome server merge. Come to buncle!

[Klaatu]

Alot of people replying seem to missunderstand the entire point of my post. Also, stop clinging to the word "dead game" or "dead server" I used. I should have put that in parantheses. People seem to skip over the meaning and jump on words.

Let me reiterate what I stated in OP. While I agree Bahamut population has always been higher than your average low-pop server, from what it seems the population has gone down even further by comparisson even with your average server. Why? Server being closed is one of the reason obviously. Same situation on Odin from what I read. So the questions are:

Why not reopen closed servers? Why not consolidate the ones that have even smaller population? How to get SE to notice server population decline across the board and possibly do something about it to freshen up things for everyone?

To Dizzy: Because first of all, I still have many friends here and this is where I started this game (haha) and second, I refuse to pay SE $25 for moving servers.

[drwaffles]

You say it like it does not take much time or gil to level a craft to 100. On top of that, you can only be proficient in one craft. So, you're saying if you are only proficient in smithing and need a high level clothcraft item you are expected to create a mule and level clothcraft for a couple of days straight just to turn out an item that you could have bought multiple times over through someone else in the crafting community to already make for you + tip? Pure genius, sir.

I'm talking in a general sense, of course no one should be expected to level a craft to 90+ for a single item. I mean if there's a severe deficiency in high-level crafters on a server then people should take the initiative to fill those gaps - if things are as bad as some people are making out then there's surely a lot of money to be made that way, assuming you're smart about it. It doesn't make sense that a lack of crafters should be indicative of how close a server is to "dying" when the loss of their skills isn't some kind of irreversible process. Sure, it takes a very long time and a lot of dedication to level a craft, but it's by no means impossible.

[Eldelphia]

Certainly been a big slump recently. No doubt there are a thousand bots out there I'm clueless about but any of this down to NASA and App being hit?

Autumn time a lot of students go back to uni, it's often quiet for a bit. Coupled with xiv I figure it's just the way things are going. I pretty much expect the server mergers to start once we have access to XIV

[ronin sparthos]

SE pointed out around 6 servers that were chronically underpopulated a while ago, those servers should just be merged into 3 servers and give players a nice 1month heads up to either:

A. Bail (for free).
B. Prepare recruitment with the incoming server LS wise.
C. Get to understand the people that will soon occupy your new server. (that's what forums are for eh?)

Once the servers merge, lock them. If overcrowding becomes that much of an issue (doubtful since overcrowding is defined as over 5k people on at any one time) then SE can simply open the cages and allow some people to relocate.

Many people don't want to change servers because they fear that jumping might land them in the same situation that was present on their original server and you'd be stuck there for a good while.

The problem isn't that XI is dead, the problem is that the servers have stagnated. You know most of the dickheads that exist on your servers, the rivalries are all established, everyone has their little "cliques" and that's that. Open up some server merges and things would get more exciting positively and negatively.

That's the kind of shot in the arm XI needs atm.

[Riki]

While I agree Bahamut population has always been higher than your average low-pop server, from what it seems the population has gone down even further by comparisson even with your average server.

And this is where i think you are wrong. You are eyeballing numbers in your timezone, but it doesen't give you an idea how full the server actually is.
If the total numbers were that much down, the server would already be open again.

[Klaatu]

And this is where i think you are wrong. You are eyeballing numbers in your timezone, but it doesen't give you an idea how full the server actually is.
If the total numbers were that much down, the server would already be open again.

Because the population during time I'm not online should concern me much?

[Tagus]

So basically what you're saying is that you want a new server to migrate to you.

[Burnsy]

Come to buncle!

^ above is the reason I don't know if I could move there, saying "Welcome to buncle" to myself just sounds... gay.

But I'm considering because Rag sucks a fatty...

[Gtype954]

880 people on Seraph at the moment, seems that I have 1-2 friends quitting/taking a break every week. All my event linkshells have been suffering because of low attendance. I am hoping for a server merge because I don't wish to pay $75 for all my accounts to transfer, and I don't want to leave any of my friends behind. It's just getting impossible to get things done, find people selling the things you want... but at least merit camps are usually open.

Dude you ain't lying... the lowest I seen on seraph lately was about 600 ppl.
Fafnir is yellow sometimes, KB is yellow sometimes...
I seen retrace for 4k shouts and I come back from afk 5 mins later and still managed to invite that person. Back then if anyone retraced for anymore then 2k, they would get invited in less then a second before you can invite them.
Getting hard to craft items or anything that is lvl 100 of a craft is very hard to find or get in the AH.
Feel bad for people who still need Divine might or CoP missions because you most likely won't ever get that completed.

Alot of people are talking about playing WoW or this new game called Aion that everyone is buzzing about.
To make things worse, I expected to hit 800 or less AFTER FF14 came out.
If this is happening now.... then what will we see when FF14 comes out.
Also, half of my LS is staying in this game until WOTG is completed then quitting. So once WOTG ends you will the population drop even further.

Almost complete with my 2nd relic weapon, but dynamis is losing numbers. I don't want to waste my time. If I cannot complete it because my LS is dying, then like the other say.... sell your account while you still can.