Gladiator Combat Builds and Job Discussion

[Veyron]

All right, let's talk Slaughter. Worth it? Some info in this thread:

http://www.aionsource.com/forum/glad...slaughter.html

But, I may be coming around to the conclusion that it may not be worth a stigma slot, thoughts anymore? Obviously only a PvP stigma though, no need to discuss/mention that D:

[Trichocyst]

Fucking finally hit level 40. Felt good. Now I feel the need to smash asmos in the face. Looking for input on stigmas/upgrades. Keep in mind I'm the highest character in the legion by five levels so I'll be relying a lot of solo and pubbies:

http://na.aiononline.com/livestatus/...22&serverID=12

[Serif]

Fucking finally hit level 40. Felt good. Now I feel the need to smash asmos in the face. Looking for input on stigmas/upgrades. Keep in mind I'm the highest character in the legion by five levels so I'll be relying a lot of solo and pubbies:

http://na.aiononline.com/livestatus/...22&serverID=12

Try to work on + for your weapon, unless you are just going to get Xeno at 41. I would go with Improved Stamina over Lockdown. That extra HP is so helpful in solo situations. If you can try to find some one who can help slow or bind other players. I have worked with everything from an Assassin, which I really like, to RNGs and Clerics. Depends on how you want to play and if the Cleric doesn't mind being the one attacked mainly. Solo, you are going to have to get lucky until higher level up. I can get the occasional gank and kill every once and a while but if I see a group of 3+ I usually run.

Always have many Major Anti-Shock, Major Courage, Major Running Scrolls. Then Triora Jelly for those oh shit occasions. Food and Major Healing Potions and then HP/Tic Potions and Full HP Potions in case you get hit with an Inferno or something.

[Trichocyst]

I like Lockdown, but I'm not married to it. I like Improved Stamina, but it's never saved my life. I have a bunch of friends playing but my chanter (35) is their level so my gladiator is essentially trailblazing.

One of my best friends online is an expert weaponsmith. I'm holding out to get my polearm to +10 for expert noble (which would outperform a base Xeno). I think I'll go for Xeno at 41 as a placeholder, even if giving up the attack speed will be painful. If I could get a +10 expert noble I'd be set until something better came along.

I carry plenty of consumables on me, but I still rely on a lot of luck.

[Pooky]

Interesting question was posed by a legionmate the other day, he was musing about seeing a glad in the Leather Miragent set for the retarded crit bonuses, freeing up all sockets for attack (~120). Decent jewelry would let you hit close to 500 crit pretty easily, but as my glad is only 36 I've got no idea how much attack a 50 decently geared glad has to base an accurate comparison.

Thoughts?

[Trichocyst]

Hard to say at level 40, but I need to be in pretty damn close to somebody to kill them. I need all the defense I can muster. Maybe it's more viable in the context of a group though.

[arus2001]

Plate:		Ch	Le	Pa	Ha	Bp	T	T+SB
Evasion	        138	111	83	83	83	498	553
Maximum MP	282	212	141	141	141	917	1529
Physical Def	380	302	224	224	224	1354	1578
Magic Resist	101	81	61	61	80	384	427
Physical Attack	-	-	12	-	-	12	42
Flight Speed	10	8	-	-	-	18	18
Atk Speed	-	-	-	6	-	6	6
Maximum HP	314	235	157	157	157	1020	1698

2 Pieces: +21 Magic Resist,+66 Physical Def,+27 Evasion
3 Pieces: +312 Maximum HP,+282 Maximum MP,+42 Physical Def,+12 Physical Attack
4 Pieces: +22 Magic Resist,+67 Physical Def,+28 Evasion
5 Pieces: +366 Maximum HP,+330 Maximum MP,+49 Physical Def,+18 Physical Attack
Full Set: +22% Speed,+42 Flight Time,+286 Parry

Leather:	Ch	Le	Pa	Ha	Bp	T	T+SB
Evasion		216	172	126	126	126	766	892
Maximum MP	282	212	141	141	141	917	1529
Physical Def	226	181	136	136	136	815	1128
Magic Resist	113	91	68	68	87	427	474
Physical Attack	-	-	12	-	-	12	12
Flight Speed	10	8	-	-	-	18	18
Atk Speed	-	-	-	6	-	6	6
Maximum HP	314	235	157	157	157	1020	1698
Crit		-	-	-	-	-	-	120

2 Pieces: +24 Magic Resist,+45 Physical Def,+27 Evasion
3 Pieces: +312 Maximum HP,+282 Maximum MP,+33 Evasion,+48 Physical Crit
4 Pieces: +23 Magic Resist,+45 Physical Def,+28 Evasion
5 Pieces: +366 Maximum HP,+330 Maximum MP,+38 Evasion,+72 Physical Crit
Full Set: +22% Speed,+42 Flight Time,+223 Physical Def


Side by side comparison...
HP: Even.
MP: Even.
Defense: Plate by 450.
Magic Resist: Leather by 47
Evasion: Leather by 339.
Attack: Plate by 30.
Crit: Leather by 120.

So, if you went Leather, you'd need to put 6 stone slots into +5 Attack to match Plate. If you went Plate, you'd need to use 8 +15 Crit stone slots to match Leather's crit. If you consider the defense loss as taking an added 45 damage a hit, I personally can't say Leather is worth it since it's unlikely the added Evasion will really up us, either.

Then again, I'm not sure if in the set bonuses, like +12 and +18 Attack become 30, or if it just goes from +12 to +18. So, that could screw up my numbers if the latter.

[Serif]

One of my best friends online is an expert weaponsmith. I'm holding out to get my polearm to +10 for expert noble (which would outperform a base Xeno). I think I'll go for Xeno at 41 as a placeholder, even if giving up the attack speed will be painful. If I could get a +10 expert noble I'd be set until something better came along

I got lucky with my Expert Noble and got it to +10, shit is money. Won't be upgrading for a good while.

[Pooky]

Plate:		Ch	Le	Pa	Ha	Bp	T	T+SB
Evasion	        138	111	83	83	83	498	553
Maximum MP	282	212	141	141	141	917	1529
Physical Def	380	302	224	224	224	1354	1578
Magic Resist	101	81	61	61	80	384	427
Physical Attack	-	-	12	-	-	12	42
Flight Speed	10	8	-	-	-	18	18
Atk Speed	-	-	-	6	-	6	6
Maximum HP	314	235	157	157	157	1020	1698

2 Pieces: +21 Magic Resist,+66 Physical Def,+27 Evasion
3 Pieces: +312 Maximum HP,+282 Maximum MP,+42 Physical Def,+12 Physical Attack
4 Pieces: +22 Magic Resist,+67 Physical Def,+28 Evasion
5 Pieces: +366 Maximum HP,+330 Maximum MP,+49 Physical Def,+18 Physical Attack
Full Set: +22% Speed,+42 Flight Time,+286 Parry

Leather:	Ch	Le	Pa	Ha	Bp	T	T+SB
Evasion		216	172	126	126	126	766	892
Maximum MP	282	212	141	141	141	917	1529
Physical Def	226	181	136	136	136	815	1128
Magic Resist	113	91	68	68	87	427	474
Physical Attack	-	-	12	-	-	12	12
Flight Speed	10	8	-	-	-	18	18
Atk Speed	-	-	-	6	-	6	6
Maximum HP	314	235	157	157	157	1020	1698
Crit		-	-	-	-	-	-	120

2 Pieces: +24 Magic Resist,+45 Physical Def,+27 Evasion
3 Pieces: +312 Maximum HP,+282 Maximum MP,+33 Evasion,+48 Physical Crit
4 Pieces: +23 Magic Resist,+45 Physical Def,+28 Evasion
5 Pieces: +366 Maximum HP,+330 Maximum MP,+38 Evasion,+72 Physical Crit
Full Set: +22% Speed,+42 Flight Time,+223 Physical Def


Side by side comparison...
HP: Even.
MP: Even.
Defense: Plate by 450.
Magic Resist: Leather by 47
Evasion: Leather by 339.
Attack: Plate by 30.
Crit: Leather by 120.

So, if you went Leather, you'd need to put 6 stone slots into +5 Attack to match Plate. If you went Plate, you'd need to use 8 +15 Crit stone slots to match Leather's crit. If you consider the defense loss as taking an added 45 damage a hit, I personally can't say Leather is worth it since it's unlikely the added Evasion will really up us, either.

Then again, I'm not sure if in the set bonuses, like +12 and +18 Attack become 30, or if it just goes from +12 to +18. So, that could screw up my numbers if the latter.

So basically it turns into 120 Crit 90 Attack, vs 450 Defense 40 attack?

Set bonuses are are additive btw.

[arus2001]

Not sure where you're getting the 90 Attack from on the Leather unless you're considering using stones to compensate like I implied. Even then, 90 is 18 +5 stones and Gladiator's base crits aren't terribly high even with Polearms. I'm only in the mid-40s still and rocking 367 crit, fully slotted +12s amongst my stuff. I use a GS, though (Kunpapa's to be precise), and have been debating switching to Xenophon's spear when some people catch up and we quest it. Making crit scrolls isn't an issue since my Alchemy's of level, obviously, and food's another option that could have me using some Attack stones instead. As is, I'm not going balls out best of the best stones in my gear at this point since I figure I have one more upgrade ahead of me before turning focus to endgame stuff.

Defensively, I just felt like after 30 wearing plate wasn't mitigating enough damage to keep up with herb use and Improved Stamina's timer with the odd potion in most grinds. If you still plan on grinding mobs with a Gladiator at 50 solo, or tanking, 45 damage added per hit will add up quickly. Crit soft capping and KDs (obviously a Glad's biggest damage mitigator) not being guaranteed also has me wary of the leather consideration. Some might argue just skipping Attack even on the leather and going even more Crit despite the caps. I don't really have a solid enough grasp on the damage mechanics to determine how sound that would be for this class, though.

[Pooky]

Not sure where you're getting the 90 Attack from on the Leather unless you're considering using stones to compensate like I implied. Even then, 90 is 18 +5 stones and Gladiator's base crits aren't terribly high even with Polearms. I'm only in the mid-40s still and rocking 367 crit, fully slotted +12s amongst my stuff. I use a GS, though (Kunpapa's to be precise), and have been debating switching to Xenophon's spear when some people catch up and we quest it. Making crit scrolls isn't an issue since my Alchemy's of level, obviously, and food's another option that could have me using some Attack stones instead. As is, I'm not going balls out best of the best stones in my gear at this point since I figure I have one more upgrade ahead of me before turning focus to endgame stuff.

Defensively, I just felt like after 30 wearing plate wasn't mitigating enough damage to keep up with herb use and Improved Stamina's timer with the odd potion in most grinds. If you still plan on grinding mobs with a Gladiator at 50 solo, or tanking, 45 damage added per hit will add up quickly. Crit soft capping and KDs (obviously a Glad's biggest damage mitigator) not being guaranteed also has me wary of the leather consideration. Some might argue just skipping Attack even on the leather and going even more Crit despite the caps. I don't really have a solid enough grasp on the damage mechanics to determine how sound that would be for this class, though.

At 50 with leather, consumables, and decent jewelry you can hit ~480+ crit pretty easily with a Polearm, without slotting any crit stones. The 90 attack is coming from using all manastone sockets for attack (giving 120).

[arus2001]

There's still some wiggle room you can be doing with stones to become comparable with Attack and Critical on both sets.

Looks like there are 20 slots on the sets to play unless Aionsource's mouse-overs are wrong.

Leather: 120 Crit SB + 12 Attack + 100 Attack from 20 stones = 120 Crit and 112 Attack.
Plate: 12 Attack + 30 Attack SB + 60 Attack from 12 stones + 120 Crit from 8 stones = 120 Crit and 102 Attack.
Overall, Leather wins by 10 Attack.

Of course, there's still the Defense factor. Financially, slotting up Plate would also be more expensive. Though, enchanting Plate would also increase the defensive gap further. Does Attack also reach a point of diminishing returns? If so, going balls out on either could be detrimental in place of HP.

[Pooky]

There's still some wiggle room you can be doing with stones to become comparable with Attack and Critical on both sets.

Looks like there are 20 slots on the sets to play unless Aionsource's mouse-overs are wrong.

Leather: 120 Crit SB + 12 Attack + 100 Attack from 20 stones = 120 Crit and 112 Attack.
Plate: 12 Attack + 30 Attack SB + 60 Attack from 12 stones + 120 Crit from 8 stones = 120 Crit and 102 Attack.
Overall, Leather wins by 10 Attack.

Of course, there's still the Defense factor. Financially, slotting up Plate would also be more expensive. Though, enchanting Plate would also increase the defensive gap further. Does Attack also reach a point of diminishing returns? If so, going balls out on either could be detrimental in place of HP.

Forgetting the 4 slots on weapon, would make:

Leather: 120 Crit SB, 12 Attack, 120 Attack from stones = 120 Crit +132 Attack
Plate: 12 Attack + 30 Attack SB + 80 Attack from stones + 120 Crit from 8 stones = 120 Crit and 112 Attack.


I've never been a fan of slotting HP. Basically it boils down to ~24 attack (Aion's Strength) vs 450 def then I guess.

[Naiya]

(Link to Eleven's gear)

Bricks were shat. Almost a dream build a month into the game, congrats to him & stuff.

And then he got banned.

Wow, just checked and now http://uk.aiononline.com/livestatus/...32&serverID=33

Does this guy do anything besdie's play Aion? lol

[Pooky]

Wow, just checked and now http://uk.aiononline.com/livestatus/...32&serverID=33

Does this guy do anything besdie's play Aion? lol

None of that gear is really hard to get, and a lot of that gear needs work. If you're referring to him having another 50, it really doesn't take much to hit cap, my glads almost 40 with casual leveling.

[Fallyn]

Wow, just checked and now http://uk.aiononline.com/livestatus/...32&serverID=33

Does this guy do anything besdie's play Aion? lol

Yeah i dont think he does, he has atleast been on every time i went on over the last 4 days (every 2 or so hours)

[hagun]

None of that gear is really hard to get, and a lot of that gear needs work. If you're referring to him having another 50, it really doesn't take much to hit cap, my glads almost 40 with casual leveling.

Define "casual".

[arus2001]

Define "casual".

Certainly playing more than me, what with only being 44 and not having a level 50 alt.

And I don't really consider myself casual, but I'm not hardcore, either.

[Pooky]

Define "casual".

Once I hit 30 on my glad I crafted and exped at most 1-2 nights a week, for a few hours before DP.

[hagun]

The sum doesn't seem to equal the additon. I find it hard to believe that you can play 1-2 hours per day and have a level 40 with a level 50 alt given the time this game has been out.

I am almost level 42 since the game came out. That's from playing 2-3 hours per day on average. What gives.