Conservapedia: Re-Writing the Bible for the Rich

[Ksandra]

My emphasis was more along the line of it being the work of fiction to begin with.

a.k.a. flame-baiting. ^_~

[Jaybar]

So how exactly does your argument hold up? Or what was the point. Someone reads a book (fiction or non fiction), has a mind-altering view on life. Goes out to help those less fortunate or show compassion and love for their fellow man? So then they become idiotic? I think I see what you are trying to say, you are just wording it terribly wrong.

[Zilong]

The world would be a much nicer place if compassion and love for their fellow man is the only mind altering view on life that came out of the bible.

I don't have problem with the part of the bible that goes along that line, what I do have problem with is well...everything else. It become an even bigger problem when a bunch of morons decide to make their interpretation of it, and even more morons decide to follow it.

Well, I guess my labeling of the book as "mere fiction" is my way of viewing the damn thing as something written by human rather than the infallible word of god it is constantly depicted as.

[Jaybar]

It's not untrue that people do change their lives and lead a more faithful and loving lifestyle after accepting the Bible as the word of God transcribed by man.

Unfortunately, there are those people that also mistake the Bible as a sword and shield to defeat those they hate (another huge hypocrisy I don't believe in, and the biggest reason I dislike the Vatican/Crusades). It's the misinterpretations that ruin humanity and degrade religious faith.

If this "Conservapedia" gets attention by the masses, then these misinterpretations will grow even further.

At that point, it'll be Darwinism of the Holy Book.

[Not Kuno]

I'm fluent in greek I'll go translate the bible and call it BG Edition.

[Absolutely Virtue]

Yeah, and you could put it on the wiki!

[sephir]

I thought it was originally written in Aramaic? Or am I thinking of only certain parts?

[Jakson]

Didn't Isladar already do that?

[Jaybar]

I thought it was originally written in Aramaic? Or am I thinking of only certain parts?

Old Testament was in Aramaic. The Middle East became Hellenistic after Alexander the Great raided through, so by the time the Gospels and other Letters were being written, Greek was a pretty dominant language to write in. I'm sure there were other reasons to write it in Greek, but that's not the point I'm trying to make.

[Niiro]

The New Testament was written by a bunch of anonymous authors who interpreted stuff said by some guys that knew some guys that knew some guys that supposedly hung out with Jesus a century before. It was written by people that never knew Christ with their own interpretations of the very little he actually said while adding volumes of things he never said or even talked about. It's likely that a lot of the content is heavily based on ideas and concepts Jesus tried to convey, but it's been extrapolated and fabricated to an obscene amount.

Christ never sat down with his secretary and had her copy down the "rules" of Christianity, instances of any such laws or penalties that one must adhere to are simply fabrications made to turn something philosophical into something cold and hard that dictates every aspect of life. It's nothing more than a form of control.

Editing the Bible to convey one's own interpretation and holding it as gospel is a perversion of the content that only gets worse over time.

Jesus conveyed some very simple, meaningful, and general concepts one should value. Almost everything we have today is a corruption of those ideas to the point where the real message is lost and buried under rules, regulations, and interpretations written by people trying to exploit religion in order to manipulate others to their way of thought.

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No, I don't have religion.
No, I don't think religion itself is a bad thing.
Those who use religion as a means to exert authority over others to serve their own agenda are simply the most despicable kind of people.

Now I hate myself for even considering to get involved in any kind of religious argument.

Gonna go eat ice-cream and cry about how opinionated I am.

[Elvis]

where's the cartoon where the two jesuses (plural form of Jesus - Jesi? D: ) are are put next to each other? the one where u have the real jesus and then the Westernized Jesus? i think there was an entire thread devoted to the artist's collection of comics, he was very prolific and did a lot of political stuff

[kuronosan]

http://www.thepaincomics.com/Jesus%20vs.%20Jeezus.jpg

[Niiro]

I can't read half of what the right column says.

[Jakson]

What does the question of whether or not Jews should have paid taxes to Caesar have to do with the separation of Church and State? I don't like the Modern Jesus any more than anyone else, but if you're gonna call out Conservatives for taking the bible the wrong way, you shouldn't be doing it yourself.

[kuronosan]

What the hell? Get new glasses.

Jeezus
On sexual immorality: I hate fags!
On alcohol and drugs: But only say nay, get ye high on me!
On abortion: Bring the little fetuses to me, for they are precious to me. On this issue shalt thou vote, and on this alone.
On war: Slay ye every one of them and I shalt sort them out.
On separation of church and state: I am the state!
On money: Make thy pledge now, at our toll-free number.

What does the question of whether or not Jews should have paid taxes to Caesar have to do with the separation of Church and State? I don't like the Modern Jesus any more than anyone else, but if you're gonna call out Conservatives for taking the bible the wrong way, you shouldn't be doing it yourself.

Uh, the idea being that God has no place in government, because the Jews were complaining about having to pay taxes so they asked Jesus what his opinion was. His answer was simple - if Caesar asks you to pay taxes, you pay them - it has nothing to do with God. That's what separation of church and state is. God does not decide for the people what is fair and what is not fair, and the state does not decide for the people what their belief and religion should be. They exist parallel to each other, and do not interlock.

How can you make such profound statements earlier and yet not even see something so simple?

[Niiro]

What the hell? Get new glasses.

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My doctor's handwriting is more legible than that shit.

[kuronosan]

Well in all honesty writing it in Olde English is a little retarded, at least with the font.

[Jakson]

Uh, the idea being that God has no place in government, because the Jews were complaining about having to pay taxes so they asked Jesus what his opinion was. His answer was simple - if Caesar asks you to pay taxes, you pay them - it has nothing to do with God. That's what separation of church and state is. God does not decide for the people what is fair and what is not fair, and the state does not decide for the people what their belief and religion should be. They exist parallel to each other, and do not interlock.

How can you make such profound statements earlier and yet not even see something so simple?

no no, I understand the difference Jesus was trying to make by saying Caesar > Caesar, God > God, I guess I just worded it wrong in that I wondered why Jesus feels the need to make the distinction. Pharisees were asking Jesus about the head tax, and while the Pharisees position was inherently religious, they were not the one to bring up the distinction between allegiance to state and allegiance to God.

[Klaatu]

It has launched the Conservative Bible Project to produce a "fully conservative" translation of the Bible, expunged of what it calls "liberal wordiness" (because liberals apparently use a "high word-to-substance ratio"), "gender inclusive" language, and "socialistic words" like "comrade" and "labourer". "Government", it has decided, is a liberal word, whereas "volunteer" is a conservative one.

How about a "slave"?

[Olo401]

My emphasis was more along the line of it being the work of fiction to begin with.

I wouldn't go that far at all. Personally I'm more of the belief that the Bible, Torah, Quran or other religious writings should be looked on as important philosophical or sociological works. Not as purely philosophical as some of the writings of the Ancient Greeks or even more contemporary minds.. but still important nonetheless.

The "storytelling" aspect that religious works use is actually an important way of passing down knowledge and societal norms through the generations. This method of passing knowledge isn't as prevalent today (we are much more direct than our ancestors) but it does still exist. But it's important to realize the difference between the story and the life lessons it is attempting to teach.