Physical Crit vs Attack Manastones

[Lebzile]

I thought I remembered reading they changed it from:

Pre-1.5
1h: 2.5
2h: 1.5

to

1.5
1h: 2.3
2h: 1.7

Probably, I could have gotten it backwards, but it needs to be tested and found out asap. :<

[Loziel]

I wondered what the hell was going on with my Shining Slash, at 23 the crit range I have seen on this move is massive.

[Abandon]

Casual testing last night during spammed FT runs. No buffs at all, crits doing 700-1000. Devotion only, 850-1100. Killer's Eye only, 1100-1400. Both, 1400-2307 (heh).

Keep an eye out for Eye of Wrath at lvl 37, a stigma. guarantees your next attack is a crit (hi2u SA). Happens to gimp your crit by 300... this needs testing. sounds like a fucking BLAST when all this is stacked, but we need to knok exactly how long it gimps your crit for. The duration (10 secs), or for the entire cooldown (1 minute @.@). For you higher ups, get on this!

[Olo401]

Casual testing last night during spammed FT runs. No buffs at all, crits doing 700-1000. Devotion only, 850-1100. Killer's Eye only, 1100-1400. Both, 1400-2307 (heh).

That's a big range.. it looks more like an exponential effect than a multiplier. I'm wondering if the accuracy boost on KE is playing into this as well.

[Purrrfect]

I wondered what the hell was going on with my Shining Slash, at 23 the crit range I have seen on this move is massive.

I've read the skill has its listed damage range, but has a chance to do 3x damage, so your visible crit range would be from a crit on the lowend value to a crit on 3x the highend value. Need to find out how to make that damage boost activate lol.

[Chun Liroy]

Pretty sure you're talking about Stunning Shot which is "random physical damage", yes it gives a range but it is still all random. Same goes for Templar's Shining Slash.

here you go Loziel

[Purrrfect]

Crit vs Attack - Theorycrafting - AionSource.com

[Syntex]

Crit vs Attack - Theorycrafting - AionSource.com

UPDATE: Crit vs Attack - Theorycrafting

Updated: Added level 50 (Abyss)

Updated: Added levels 40 and 50 (Pre-Abyss)

Updated: Adjusted Manastones to fit based on character level. Differentiated between White/Green Manastones. Also, will now exclude Abyss items pre-50 (This should make the information more accurate while leveling)

First and foremost, this is done with the only information I have been able to find. If anyone has better information, please let me know. That being said, I'm going to use the following assumptions for stats:

100 Attacks
Base Crit - 5%
Base Accuracy - 100 (.5% Crit)
Crit Diminishing Returns - 40%
Physical Crit to Crit % Ratio - 10:1 (10 Physical Crit = 1% Crit)
Accuracy to Physical Crit Ratio - 20:1 (200 Accuracy = 1% Crit)
Manastones are the highest per level of drop
Base damage will be a rough estimate based off a rough average of all skill damage at each level.
All decimals are rounded down.

I will use the most possible manastone sockets per tier. Potions, scrolls, powerstones, buffs, debuffs, movement, etc are not factored in. Parry, Block, Dodge, Miss, etc are not factored in. PvP damage reduction is not factored in, although I will do that shortly.

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Level 10 (11 Manastone sockets, base damage of 50, 240 Accuracy)
Totals of 6.2% Base Crit.

Crit Manastones (4) - +44 Physical Crit (4.4%); Total 10.6% Crit

90 Hits @ 50 Damage = 4,500
10 Hits @ 100 Damage = 1,000
10 Hits @ 75 Damage (1.5x) = 750

Current Damage - 5,500
Patch 1.5 Damage - 5,250

Physical Attack Manastones - +11 Physical Attack; Total 6.2% Crit

94 Hits @ 61 Damage = 5,734
6 Crits @ 122 Damage = 732
6 Crits @ 91 Damage (1.5x) = 546

Current Damage - 6,466
Patch 1.5 Damage - 6,280

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Level 20 (15 Manastone sockets, base damage of 75, 400 Accuracy)
Totals of 7.0% Base Crit.

Crit Manastones (6) - +90 Physical Crit (9.0%); Total 16.0% Crit
Crit Manastones (9) - +135 Physical Crit (13.5%); Total 20.5% Crit

84 80 Hits @ 75 Damage = 6,300 6,000
16 20 Crits @ 150 Damage = 2,400 3,000
16 20 Crits @ 112 Damage (1.5x) = 1,792 2,240

Current Damage - 8,700 9,000
Patch 1.5 Damage - 8,092 8,240

Physical Attack Manastones (1) - +15 Physical Attack; Total 7.0% Crit

93 Hits @ 90 Damage = 8,370
7 Crits @ 180 Damage = 1,260
7 Crits @ 135 Damage (1.5x) = 945

Current Damage - 9,630
Patch 1.5 Damage - 9,315

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Level 30 (21 Manastone sockets, base damage of 100, 560 Accuracy)
Totals of 7.8% Base Crit.

Crit Manastones (8) - +168 Physical Crit (16.8%); Total 24.6% Crit
Crit Manastones (11) - +231 Physical Crit (23.1%); Total 30.9% Crit

76 70 Hits @ 100 Damage = 7,600 7,000
24 30 Crits @ 200 Damage = 4,800 6,000
24 30 Crits @ 150 Damage (1.5x) = 3,600 4,500

Current Damage - 12,400 13,000
Patch 1.5 Damage - 11,200 11,500

Physical Attack Manastones (2) - +42 Physical Attack; Total 7.8% Crit
Physical Attack Manastones (4) - +84 Physical Attack; Total 7.8% Crit

93 Hits @ 142 184 Damage = 13,206 17,112
7 Crits @ 284 368 Damage = 1,988 2,576
7 Crits @ 213 276 Damage (1.5x) = 1,491 1,932

Current Damage - 15,194 19,688
Patch 1.5 Damage - 14,697 19,044

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Level 40 (21 Manastone sockets, base damage of 150, 700 Accuracy)
Totals of 8.5% Base Crit.

Crit Manastones (10) - +210 Physical Crit (21.0%); Total 29.5% Crit
Crit Manastones (13) - +273 Physical Crit (27.3%); Total 35.8% Crit

71 65 Hits @ 150 Damage = 10,650 9,750
29 35 Crits @ 300 Damage = 8,700 10,500
29 35 Crits @ 225 Damage (1.5x) = 6,525 7,875

Current Damage - 19,350 20,250
Patch 1.5 Damage - 17,175 17,625

Physical Attack Manastones (2) - +42 Physical Attack; Total 8.5% Crit
Physical Attack Manastones (4) - +84 Physical Attack; Total 8.5% Crit

92 Hits @ 192 234 Damage = 17,664 21,528
8 Crits @ 384 468 Damage = 3,072 3,744
8 Crits @ 288 351 Damage (1.5x) = 2,304 2,808

Current Damage - 20,736 25,272
Patch 1.5 Damage - 19,968 24,336

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Level 50 (Pre-Abyss) (21 Manastone sockets, base damage of 200, 840 Accuracy)
Totals of 9.2% Base Crit.

Crit Manastones (12) - +252 Physical Crit (25.2%); Total 34.4% Crit
Crit Manastones (15) - +315 Physical Crit (31.5%); Total 40.7% Crit

66 60 Hits @ 200 Damage = 13,200 12,000
34 40 Crits @ 400 Damage = 13,600 16,000
34 40 Crits @ 300 Damage (1.5x) = 10,200 12,000

Current Damage - 26,800 28,000
Patch 1.5 Damage - 23,400 24,000

Physical Attack Manastones (3) - +63 Physical Attack; Total 9.2% Crit
Physical Attack Manastones (5) - +105 Physical Attack; Total 9.2% Crit

91 Hits @ 263 305 Damage = 23,933 27,755
9 Crits @ 526 610 Damage = 4,734 5,490
9 Crits @ 394 457 Damage (1.5x) = 3,546 4,113

Current Damage - 28,667 33,245
Patch 1.5 Damage - 27,479 31,868

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Level 50 (Abyss) (42 Manastone sockets, base damage of 200, 840 Accuracy)
Totals of 9.2% Base Crit.

Crit Manastones (12) - +252 Physical Crit (25.2%); Total 34.4% Crit
Crit Manastones (15) - +315 Physical Crit (31.5%); Total 40.7% Crit
Physical Attack Manastones (3) - +63 Physical Attack; Total 0.0% Crit
Physical Attack Manastones (5) - +105 Physical Attack; Total 0.0% Crit

66 60 Hits @ 263 305 Damage = 17,358 18,300
34 40 Crits @ 526 610 Damage = 17,884 24,400
34 40 Crits @ 394 457 Damage (1.5x) = 13,396 18,280

Current Damage - 35,242 42,700
Patch 1.5 Damage - 30,754 36,580

Physical Attack Manastones (3) - +126 Physical Attack; Total 9.2% Crit
Physical Attack Manastones (5) - +210 Physical Attack; Total 9.2% Crit

91 Hits @ 326 410 Damage = 29,666 37,310
9 Crits @ 652 820 Damage = 5,868 7,380
9 Crits @ 489 615 Damage (1.5x) = 4,401 5,535

Current Damage - 35,534 44,690
Patch 1.5 Damage - 34,067 42,845

For those who are lazy.

EDIT: After looking over the numbers it seems that +attack takes an early lead but levels out in the end when you hit 50 with more manastone sockets. When crit is more consistent around 30%+ it seems that it catches up quickly but what I also found interesting is upon a crit the attack value is doubled.

Now this is just auto attacks but I would be interested in seeing some testing when using abilities like stunning shot or the Templar ability that does "random damage" (the name escapes me) to see how attack is factored in and if there is a 3x crit multiplier to see if the +attack is also multiplied by 3 as well.

Good data nonetheless.

[Tythera]

Probably, I could have gotten it backwards, but it needs to be tested and found out asap. :<

I changed the values up above to what they were tested to be, I was .1 too low on the modified 2h crit modifier.

[Okan]

I don't play Aion, but just going to state this based on my experience of other MMOs. Since it seems that criticals don't give anything special (bleeds, ignore armor, etc), I'd suggest going for a healthy balance of criticals and attacks. Trying to hit anywhere from 25-30% critical and then stacking attack I'd imagine would give a healthy increase in overall damage. That or I'm not understanding Syntex's post. Just a thought.

[Katlan]

What are ppl looking to do at 50 for food/scrolls/manastones? While the costly approach, I am considering shooting for around 310'ish crit (w/manastones) and then using Calydon Meat on regular stuff and stacking it w/ +90 crit scrolls on important fights to push me a little over the 440 crit soft cap). This will allow me to socket +atk stuff earlier.

So w/ Calydon Meat ill be sitting at about 360'ish crit for normal instance / pvp stuff, while stacking scrolls for important fights to give me about 450'ish crit.

[Veyron]

Was also debating that, but that's rather pricey, how much is too pricey is the question.

[Katlan]

Was also debating that, but that's rather pricey, how much is too pricey is the question.

Calydon Meat is easy to make, just ask somebody in BG (we have a lot of cooks). Can either farm calydon meat or buy it for like 150/200 kinah per. Then just gather Perer. Each Synth gives 2, so that's 1hr/1:30hr duration per synth.

Only expensive part of the scrolls is the npc bought egrasi paper, rest is easily farmable (depending on aether skill). But if you only use scrolls on important fights then it doesn't seem too bad, because sitting on about 360'ish crit for everything (w/o a chanter) is fine for trash / average boss fights imo

never buy the crap from AH, not worth it for that price.. but its reasonable if you have somebody make for u