Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

**Tempyst** · 2009-10-21 06:01

Originally Posted by Alkar

I guess the potential of free avatars at 75 and good buffs on top of that are not enough.
And before you go the pessimistic route take a look at Composure... considered crap from the update notes and when implemented it tripled the duration of buffs.
Avatars are still a possibility anyway, they won't reveal them this soon.

God damnit I'm still mad at all the troglodytes who just WANTED to hate it, going as far as to say you probably wouldn't be able to cancel it when the evidence was against them that it was a useful ability.

Aside from Enspell IIs, SE's been pretty good about making the new abilities they've been doling out useful- from the looks of this I don't think there's any reason to expect otherwise of these. At the very least, you just got a free perp- ability and a form of refresh.

**Andradi** · 2009-10-21 06:01

Originally Posted by EdgeMoragan

Am I the only person seeing the potential in the new SMN JA? @_@

It looks really sweet. I do a lot of stuff with SMNs and several of those are ace.

For BST, is it just me or is 1 charge/2minutes really too slow? If I'm reading this right it takes 6 minutes to build up to (presumably) the strongest TP moves a pet has, which is... how you say, long time. Otherwise looks reasonably solid. Assuming that isn't the only adjustment for BST (ha ha.)

**arus2001** · 2009-10-21 06:02

Originally Posted by EdgeMoragan

Am I the only person seeing the potential in the new SMN JA? @_@

No, you're not the only one. Considering they mentioned a reduction in perpetuation costs, it's possible a free Diabolos may come of this, possibly Fenrir (though you'd probably need more -perp to double as D's Refresh effect), too. I'm also curious to see how a THF-backed Rogue's Roll and Ramuh's crit rate boost would stack up.

**Kimiko** · 2009-10-21 06:03

Still don't see how this will grant the Beastmaster any form of opportunity in endgame level events. The Summoner patch however... just wow, that's just incredibly potent overall.

**Silenka** · 2009-10-21 06:05

Dude. There's no new avatar. None. Get the fuck over it already.

As for the new ability, may as well just get a damn corsair. They would need less support, give more support and do about as much or more damage in almost any situation this will be useful (exceptions of course being the fights smn is already widely used during). Also I get the feeling we're not getting the whole story here on how this ability works. There's no way you get a cut cost in avatar perpetuation without dumbing down the avatar in some way. That would just be too nice of SE.

Also no one cares about beastmaster anymore, I haven't seen one in the game for like 3 months.

*bitter*

**Shenrien** · 2009-10-21 06:06

Originally Posted by Destinye

How did SMN get shafted? Better not involve the phrase "new avatars."

cause SE is so generous with updates on jobs, the first week the JA's will be broken and we will be spoiled then after that I can see it being very random with the boosted effect from the avatars.

Ifrit will probably give like +2% DA Diabolos will probably give a 1tic Refresh, leviathan will probably give +2 magic accuracy and shiva will probably give +2 MATB

>.> remember we are dealing with SE here, not some company that loves its player base and actually does nice things for them and makes them happy.

edit -

the rest will all be ass but give higher rates, if anything I could see the possibility of it giving anywhere between 1-3+ on any of the effects they listed, and the only way you can get the boosted effect?

+1, Just summoning them and having it active
+2, Day of the week.
+3, Claustrum .. lol

**spooky** · 2009-10-21 06:06

My guess, Avatar's Favor will only be applied while the avatar is out, and the reduced perp will be 1.
Also, I'd guess Diabolos' refresh will be just 1mp/tic.

**Baelorn** · 2009-10-21 06:07

Both of these updates kind of suck. Oh well.

**spooky** · 2009-10-21 06:08

Originally Posted by Taruking

Hopefully BST can still use Sic to force jugpet to use random TP moves, otherwise it will be a huge letdown.

prepare to be letdown...

the pet command "Sic" will be replaced with "Ready."

**Tempyst** · 2009-10-21 06:09

Originally Posted by Silenka

Also I get the feeling we're not getting the whole story here on how this ability works. There's no way you get a cut cost in avatar perpetuation without dumbing down the avatar in some way. That would just be too nice of SE.

yup yup yup, can't cancel composure either

**Arcanesoul** · 2009-10-21 06:10

Originally Posted by spooky

prepare to be letdown...

There's still the possibility to use "Ready" without any charges available. I really just hope it doesn't force the jugpet to wait till it has >100TP and another charge available or otherwise any Bst that merited Sic recast also just got screwed further.

**Silenka** · 2009-10-21 06:11

Originally Posted by spooky

My guess, Avatar's Favor will only be applied while the avatar is out, and the reduced perp will be 1.

Oh it'll be more than 1, 1 is just a stupid piece of refresh gear after all. But still, if they wanted to give a cut cost to perp without a cut in the avatar's performance, they could have just lowered perp cost for avatars altogether (since no smn in their right mind would NOT have this ability up if it cuts perp with no drawback).

**Shenrien** · 2009-10-21 06:14

Originally Posted by Silenka

Oh it'll be more than 1, 1 is just a stupid piece of refresh gear after all. But still, if they wanted to give a cut cost to perp without a cut in the avatar's performance, they could have just lowered perp cost for avatars altogether (since no smn in their right mind would NOT have this ability up if it cuts perp with no drawback).

there might be a negative effect to the whole ability that halves the accuracy on the summons blood pact rage and ward's.

**Ronfar** · 2009-10-21 06:14

Originally Posted by Shenrien

cause SE is so generous with updates on jobs, the first week the JA's will be broken and we will be spoiled then after that I can see it being very random with the boosted effect from the avatars.

Ifrit will probably give like +2% DA Diabolos will probably give a 1tic Refresh, leviathan will probably give +2 magic accuracy and shiva will probably give +2 MATB

>.> remember we are dealing with SE here, not some company that loves its player base and actually does nice things for them and makes them happy.

edit -

the rest will all be ass but give higher rates, if anything I could see the possibility of it giving anywhere between 1-3+ on any of the effects they listed, and the only way you can get the boosted effect?

+1, Just summoning them and having it active
+2, Day of the week.
+3, Claustrum .. lol

Yeah because Cor lucky roll is bad. lol sweet baby jesus read the post

**Tempyst** · 2009-10-21 06:14

Oh the old advanced standby of "if you can't come up with a real reason to hate an update note, just make shit up"

Nothing changes~

**Arcanesoul** · 2009-10-21 06:15

Originally Posted by Shenrien

cause SE is so generous with updates on jobs, the first week the JA's will be broken and we will be spoiled then after that I can see it being very random with the boosted effect from the avatars.

Ifrit will probably give like +2% DA Diabolos will probably give a 1tic Refresh, leviathan will probably give +2 magic accuracy and shiva will probably give +2 MATB

>.> remember we are dealing with SE here, not some company that loves its player base and actually does nice things for them and makes them happy.

edit -

the rest will all be ass but give higher rates, if anything I could see the possibility of it giving anywhere between 1-3+ on any of the effects they listed, and the only way you can get the boosted effect?

+1, Just summoning them and having it active
+2, Day of the week.
+3, Claustrum .. lol

SE said the avatar's favors will be as potent as cor's lucky rolls ( I hope with the job in the party) when they've been out for a while, which means the like of 4 tic refresh, +13 MAB, and 18% Double attack rate

**Silenka** · 2009-10-21 06:16

Originally Posted by Shenrien

there might be a negative effect to the whole ability that halves the accuracy on the summons blood pact rage and ward's.

So tell me what the fucking point is of making smn a retarded cor while simultaneously gimping the only thing it's even useful for anymore (one-shot spike damage with 70BP) ?

Suck harder, SE.

**Spira** · 2009-10-21 06:17

Both updates look pretty nice. Pessimists the whole lot of you.

I think avatar attack might be reduced from having Avatar's Favor up. It does say 'draw on avatars power after all...', and given that i'ts a stance, it should have some kind of trade off present..

but the advantages far outweigh the drawbacks i think.. you can click it off after all. or not use it if you're going for pure dmg.

**Ronfar** · 2009-10-21 06:18

Originally Posted by Silenka

So tell me what the fucking point is of making smn a retarded cor while simultaneously gimping the only thing it's even useful for anymore (one-shot spike damage with 70BP) ?

Suck harder, SE.

DUDE ITS SE THEY HATE SNM QQ [/sarcasm]

**Andradi** · 2009-10-21 06:18

Originally Posted by Tempyst

Oh the old advanced standby of "if you can't come up with a real reason to hate an update note, just make shit up"

Nothing changes~

I think I love you almost as much as I love composure

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