Job Adjustments and Additions: Part II (10/21/2009)

[Ryko]

The only negative effect I see with these new abilities is the increased amount of QQ on the forums.

After this many years if people arent crying they just dont care. SMN is still gonna be some lame excuse for a healer/support job, which honestly I thnk they should be happy for all the help they get since they have a place otherwise. Keep the angry pacts for the big baddies, sit in the back and do yer jerb when it comes to xp.

[Toth]

Wow @ SMN

I still expect to see an avatar at the end of the update notes cycle however. A thing that big will have it own update note I'm sure.

[Ryko]

I still expect to see an avatar at the end of the update notes cycle however. A thing that big will have it own update note I'm sure.

why would you flat out expect it? Isnt that just setting yourself up if you dont get it?

[Taruking]

I honestly don't understand why ppl will think any less of SMN's new JA, those who are still leveling SMN are going to get party invite fast once they hit lv55.

[Ryko]

as long as there are no bards or cors around sure

[Destinye]

why would you flat out expect it? Isnt that just setting yourself up if you dont get it?

Considering everytime they introduced an avatar it was it's own update note (General Avatars - Update Notice about Zilart Expanison/Tribune, Fenrir - Vanadiel Tribune, Diabolos - Update notice) if there's one (or two) to come, it will be near the end of the update cycle because that would no doubt be one of the bigger points of this VU.

[hezzel]

I hope the dev team put in more effort into updating the game(I want my god damn end to WOTG already), then into job updates. Not saying all job adjustments are bad, just a bit meh.

[Meian]

A lot of potential from this for SMN. Here is hoping that it will be really useful and the status effect stays active even without an avatar present. I am really curious to how much the perpetuation reduction will be considering how Mythic weapon seemed to indicate that SMN would not lose the perp cost of avatars.

[calinz]

Dein Avatar gibt Gruppenmitgliedern im Wirkungsbereich einen positiven Statuseffekt und wird dadurch geschwächt.

German update notice says "Avatar will give the party members in range a positive status effect and in exchange will get weakened for it"

[Toth]

why would you flat out expect it? Isnt that just setting yourself up if you dont get it?

I suppose I am holding them to their word lol

Regardless, my SMN will be happy come update day.

[Ryko]

Considering everytime they introduced an avatar it was it's own update note (General Avatars - Update Notice about Zilart Expanison/Tribune, Fenrir - Vanadiel Tribune, Diabolos - Update notice) if there's one (or two) to come, it will be near the end of the update cycle because that would no doubt be one of the bigger points of this VU.

Not what I was pointing out but I'm gonna state that it's obvious that if an avatar WERE to be announced it would obviously be near the end of an update cycle. My point though is why expect anything from SE? If you dont get it youre just kicking yourself and hating SE for not delivering. Hope, sure. Expect? Nah.

[Taruking]

as long as there are no bards or cors around sure

Not true, SMN should be a decent replacement for RDM in exp party. Anyone who can't find a RDM should probably invite SMN esp. if you are using PLD tank who will rather have consistent 4mp/tic at zero cost.

[Ryko]

Not true, SMN should be a decent replacement for RDM in exp party.

If you completely ignore that RDM in EXP is more likely to serve as a main healer and not as a main supporter, you may have an actual point I suppose. This is ignoring their potent and reliable debuffs and the fact that elegy + slow is top tier.

German update notice says "Avatar will give the party members in range a positive status effect and in exchange will get weakened for it"

Damn, the german update note should have people wary like anne frank.

[Ryko]

Apologies for double post, please delete.

[S N K]

Wow I am very pleased about BST. If you hadn't leveled the job before then you have no idea what an advantage this gives the job. There's nothing worse then having a jug pet do worthless TP moves when all you want it to do is damage.

I'm a little disheartened that you can't do this to normally charmable mobs because the lulz which could be had with Hecta Eyes mobs and Hex Eye would be beyond awesome just off the top of my head.

Maybe it will be added to help advance the job into something more favorable but this is a nice step in a direction I didn't expect.

Summoner I'm looking at and I'm happy to see this update but it's way far too late for anyone to still want to invite a summoner to a merit party.

[Ronfar]

I hope the dev team put in more effort into updating the game(I want my god damn end to WOTG already), then into job updates. Not saying all job adjustments are bad, just a bit meh.

Nah, they going to stretch that out for another year, remember when they said in that interview for 14 they said they had a year of content for 11?

[Taruking]

If you completely ignore that RDM in EXP is more likely to serve as a main healer and not as a main supporter, you may have an actual point I suppose.



Damn, the german update note should have people wary like anne frank.

SMN can heal too >.>, just because they can't rest now doesn't mean they can't cast cure. This is esp. true post lv70 when they get to sub SCH for sublimation.

[Sho]

You bitches can cry moan about anything that's added to this game.

How anyone can complain about this SMN and BST update is beyond me. SMN just got a role that's closer to a CORs role now more than anything, which is amazing. BST just got access to a controllable 1000 Needles, Sandblast, Double Claw, Filamented Hold, Hi-Freq Field, Geist Wall, Numbing Noise, Dream Flower, and Palsy Pollen. That means two high output attacks, Blindga, Slow, a Mini-Feint, Dispelga, Stun, Sleepga, and Paralyzega. And none of this comes as a major drawback to either job. I'm actually excited for BST again for a few endgame settings now. We can finally see how many of these jugpets stack up to endgame for their debuffs and other things.

Annnd up goes the price on Sun Water for a while.

[Ryko]

SMN can heal too >.>, just because they can't rest now doesn't mean they can't cast cure. This is esp. true post lv70 when they get to sub SCH for sublimation.

SMN is a low tier EXP healer, WHM being the top of high tier and RDM being top tier. You're not going to be able to rest with this, meaning yes the job's MP bar will be best served handing out cures here and there but it doesnt change that a RDM's slot is in no way endangered by this. Nothing from this update steps on RDMs toes in any way I'd say COR has the biggest thing to worry about, BRD is too top tier along with to come close to being out of place.

You bitches can cry moan about anything that's added to this game.

As long as there's a reason, they should.

[Toth]

SMN is a low tier EXP healer, WHM being the top of high tier and RDM being top tier. You're not going to be able to rest with this, meaning yes the job's MP bar will be best served handing out cures here and there but it doesnt change that a RDM's slot is in no way endangered by this. I'd say COR has the biggest thing to worry about, BRD is too top tier along with to come close to being out of place.



As long as there's a reason, they should.

A good SMN and can always main heal any party (ex. They can start off with Garuda for party Haste, then keep Carby out while you heal). Don't forget too that we have a VERY powerful and potent heal in Healing Ruby 2 to use every minute if needed.