What's Better?

[BerenTebogo]

15 Attack and 7 Store TP.

(The store TP on a body piece is generally essential for a DRG's 6-hit.)

On WS too? Or is zahak's the better option there?

[Cream Soda]

Capped: Kubira beads. Uncapped: PCA. Somewhere in-between: Faiths (but tossing them is better, inventory +1).

Unless Faith's skill nets you an extra DMG, of course.

This one?
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[Shinryuu]

Yeah 1 fSTR is going to beat 5 attack.

[Cream Soda]

Yeah 1 fSTR is going to beat 5 attack.

/facepalm

[Onorgul]

Glad I'm not the only one who had that reaction.

[lathia]

Due to copyright issues SE will not allow MNKs to wear Kubira necklace since they will look like Akuma!

[Byrthnoth]

It actually depends on the Monk's gear. Based on the current approximations it seems entirely possible for Monk fSTR to be capped without Kubira beads.

[Cream Soda]

It actually depends on the Monk's gear. Based on the current approximations it seems entirely possible for Monk fSTR to be capped without Kubira beads.

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[Cream Soda]

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[Karbuncle]

I've got an OpenOffice spread sheet that computes dancing edge. Let's see. Using my own gear because you need to know you whole gear for that( and the old pDIF formulas; ; ).

target mob with 75 VIT and 300 def (post dia3) lv 81 ( merit ish). THF/NIN mithra (67STR 80 DEX), pizza +1 and 2x march as buffs

gear: X/Blau / / B.core
heca head/love/brutal/hollow
skadi bd/hec hand+1/thunder/rajas
cerb+1/???/endidu leg/heca feet+1

cuchulain belt: sneak attack hit=508.30
normal hit =115.18
sub hit =113.93

warwolf belt: sneak attack hit=505.206
norma hit =113.64
sub hit =112.42

Time for me to buy one I guess, although its pricy. Its better than warwolf belt for either solo WS or SA+WS.

This is for dancing edge but it should be the same conclusions for evisceration and shark bite.

The conclusion is different in extreme situations where the mob has very low def ( farming, more debuffs etc) and you have much higher attack ( meat, chaos roll, minuets etc).

So in the end, 1DEX > 5STR, i found that hard to believe even with Sneak Attack active, to be honest i'm surprised.

Can't say its worth 2.4mil for a belt useful once every 1 minute for an increase of almost a whole 2 damage ... but i guess its nice to know there's an upgrade and even a use for this belt =0.

Thanks for the Info, and to clarify, you're saying this belt is better for high DEF mobs or low DEF?

[Shinryuu]

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wow what the fuck

[Yugl]

I'm working towards Aurum body, but I'm curious as to why Zahak's isn't as good as Aurum?

It just happened to turn out that way when it was calculated months ago. The 15 ATT outweighed the 2DEX and 3% Critical hit. With the new Critical Hits information, it's possible to retest it, but since the comparison was done on the basis of Capped v Uncapped dDEX assumption, I doubt that answers going to change. That's not to say that it applies to every WS, but for certain circumstances in particular, this seems to be the case.

Does 5/5 Ares win in any situation for WS over a combination of Heca/Ares/Aurum for WAR, DRG, and DRK?

I don't want to do sky again (never bothered asking for neptunal gear as I was PLD/SAM/NIN/MNK only at that point) and the HNMLS on my server don't interest me, so Heca is going to be extremely hard for me to get, especially since Phoenix has no good merc groups. So 5/5 Ares will actually end up being easier for me since I already have Ares body for PLD.

DRG will probably only use Body and Legs.

Legs for WS
Body for SOLO

On WS too? Or is zahak's the better option there?

Aurum > Zahaks for WS based on old calculations (I'll be making a post in Randomest Question so I can make a full WS calculator once Critical Hit testing is done). The sTP isn't necessary if you land 2-3/4 hits (Too lazy to find the exact amount) and wear Brutal+Rajas+Sub SAM.

Edit: To finally "rest" these gear questions, Masamune is looking for Parses of RagingRush/Drakesbane/Non-SATA Critical hit WSs against mobs of consistent AGI. In short, he needs people to:

- Either find mobs of the SAME AGI and WS them at 100% TP or WS mobs of different AGI, but distinct between them (Note: This is simply so that we get an accurate dDEX reading)
- Report your Total DEX
- Report Critical hit % Gear and Merits

Even if you cannot provide a ridiculous sample size (Like 1000), it's possible for him to combine the efforts of multiple parses.

[tsaroth816]

So in the end, 1DEX > 5STR, i found that hard to believe even with Sneak Attack active, to be honest i'm surprised.

Can't say its worth 2.4mil for a belt useful once every 1 minute for an increase of almost a whole 2 damage ... but i guess its nice to know there's an upgrade and even a use for this belt =0.

Thanks for the Info, and to clarify, you're saying this belt is better for high DEF mobs or low DEF?

To be fair, his calculations had 1 DEX & 10 attack(cuch) VS 5 STR(warwolf)

But I'm still skeptical on cuchulain's belt overall, because ppl pick 7str (nq heca hands) VS say war relic+1 hands (14att). Assuming capped acc, that's still a 2 for 1 switch. Different jobs/WSs, but still

Edit: Just realized Warwolf VS Swordbelt+1 is a better example

[Lordgenbu]

Looking for Aurum Sabatons vs Homam Feet

[Tsuko_Asura]

Homam, unless you'll be capped haste without(Rune Chopper/Apoc), even then probably still Homam

[mdkuser]

To be fair, his calculations had 1 DEX & 10 attack(cuch) VS 5 STR(warwolf)

But I'm still skeptical on cuchulain's belt overall, because ppl pick 7str (nq heca hands) VS say war relic+1 hands (14att). Assuming capped acc, that's still a 2 for 1 switch. Different jobs/WSs, but still

Edit: Just realized Warwolf VS Swordbelt+1 is a better example

thf is low attack job, also war weapon skill have str as a WSC, and wars have like 100-150 more atack.

also if you're wondring, did the same comparison with hecatomb hands +1 vs skadi hands. That's 3 STR 8 dex VS 10 att. Heca are better for the sneak attack hit ( ~+30 dmg) and skadi are better for the extra hit ( +~1 dmg).

[Suit and Tie]

Does 5/5 Ares win in any situation for WS over a combination of Heca/Ares/Aurum for WAR, DRG, and DRK?

I don't want to do sky again (never bothered asking for neptunal gear as I was PLD/SAM/NIN/MNK only at that point) and the HNMLS on my server don't interest me, so Heca is going to be extremely hard for me to get, especially since Phoenix has no good merc groups. So 5/5 Ares will actually end up being easier for me since I already have Ares body for PLD.

Was also wondering if 5/5 Ares ever wins.

[Pendulum]

Full Ares is top dog for Catastrophe and not much else iirc.

[Shamaya]

No question Cuchy belt is better for thf. Unstacked WS, sa+ws, and solo SA. So it gets plenty of use.

[Byrthnoth]

Monk gear:
Weapon of Choice/Black Tathlum
Usu Mask/Ancient Torque/Brutal Earring/Hollow Earring
Usu body/Usu hands/Rajas/Toreador's
Cuchu/Black Belt/Usu legs/Usu feet

STR+32 from gear (Usu 16+BB 7+Rajas 5+Cuchu 4)

Elvaan MNK/NIN with 5/5 STR merits - 78 STR
Hume MNK/NIN with 5/5 STR merits - 73 STR

fSTR cap of Spharai is FLOOR(23/9)+8, or +10.
+10 = (dSTR+4)/4
40-4 = dSTR = 36

For an Elvaan, the monster's VIT would have to be below (78+32-36)= 74 VIT without food. Below 79 VIT with a mithkabob. Birds, for instance, are 67 VIT. I've never done the tests, but I feel I can pretty much guarantee you anything that isn't archaic machinery in Salvage is going to have 67 VIT or less.
For a Hume, the monster's VIT would have to be below (73+32-36) = 69 VIT without food. Below 74 VIT with a mithkabob.

Maybe I'm getting wooshed here. Monk is the job it's easiest to cap fSTR on.