What's Better?

[KoD]

Light Ring + 5chr
Vs
Nereid Ring + 3Wind Skill

For Casting Elegy On Khim?

[BerenTebogo]

Light Ring + 5chr
Vs
Nereid Ring + 3Wind Skill

For Casting Elegy On Khim?

I go with completely naked because it doesn't matter because if you're not /BLM on khim you're going to have like a 5% chance to land it no matter what.

[Hitoseijuro]

Light Ring + 5chr
Vs
Nereid Ring + 3Wind Skill

For Casting Elegy On Khim?

From what I heard from other bards, for elegy, usually you want to gear around 110-120 chr and then stack up your skill. In that range most things should not resist you as much. Also Id assume youd be going /blm so ES would obviously make things easier.

eh, Sath beat me to it, although Sath does prefer everything naked though...

[KoD]

Yes, i Do /blm, But for when ES not up, i was woundering what would increase chance of landing

[mdkuser]

Because even with pizza they cap accuracy on every mob ever rite?

yes. 460 acc w/o full GK merits..

[Cream Soda]

yes. 460 acc w/o full GK merits..

Dumbass, we were referring to polearm

[Argettio]

yes. 460 acc w/o full GK merits..

My maths isn't as good as some of you guys, but isn't 460 smaller than 500?

And isn't ~500 the accuracy needed to cap hit rates on Lurkers (which last I checked was a merit mob...).

And although I have never fought him, I hear you need around 520 accuracy to cap on a certain Black Pony, and again I am not sure of the maths, but isn't 460 also smaller than 520?

So that's 2 mobs (and I am sure there is others) you aren't capped on.

[pchan]

My maths isn't as good as some of you guys, but isn't 460 smaller than 500?

And isn't ~500 the accuracy needed to cap hit rates on Lurkers (which last I checked was a merit mob...).

And although I have never fought him, I hear you need around 520 accuracy to cap on a certain Black Pony, and again I am not sure of the maths, but isn't 460 also smaller than 520?

So that's 2 mobs (and I am sure there is others) you aren't capped on.

Madrigal on lurkers, otherwise you don't cap even with cuchulain's and pizza. You cap even less with meat..

[Argettio]

Madrigal on lurkers, otherwise you don't cap even with cuchulain's and pizza. You cap even less with meat..

The question was; does pizza cap you on every mob in the game? mdk said yes, the right answer was no.

And you are right, Cuchulain's Mantle isn't going to take you from 460 to 500, but its going to do more for you than foragers, but that's not what I was talking about. I just correcting him about his accuracy being high enough for everything; it isn't.

[Wulfgang]

EDIT: Posting after waking up is always poor idea, was a stupid question about Lava's Ring.

[pchan]

The question was; does pizza cap you on every mob in the game? mdk said yes, the right answer was no.

And you are right, Cuchulain's Mantle isn't going to take you from 460 to 500, but its going to do more for you than foragers, but that's not what I was talking about. I just correcting him about his accuracy being high enough for everything; it isn't.

If madrigal is capping you (should be the case with justice > PCC str rings > toreadorsx2) then no, you can still keep it. Lurker is not a justification for cuchulain's. Cuchu is good if you don't cap with food and buffs. I can see it beneficial for THF, NIN, dual wield wars and monks at birds, but for SAM it shouldn't, unless your other gear is not very good, that is (like if pizza does bring your acc high enaugh in which case sushi is preferable).

[Khajit]

i need about 30~40 more acc on my sam to cap vs colibri according to ffxicalc. taking into account that at best i could sneak in around 15 more acc on sam gearwise from shit like ancient torque, black talthum,etc i'd say it's near impossible to cap acc on polearm sam without eating sushi which is even more acc than pizza so his argument would be more valid vs colibri, not less as depending on the rest of the person's gear the polearm would have capped acc before going into shit like black talthum.

[FailureMidgard]

Oooorz. I knew I being wooshed somehow! Thought Kubira was "All Jobs". As pchan pointed out there are STR-neck options for MNK. This makes me wonder what you can augment onto a Chiv Chain.

Still though, my point was that TPing in a STR neck for MNK isn't that smart if you can't assume you're getting an fSTR from it. Even if you can, it depends what your alternatives are for the neck. For instance, you're better off TPing in Ancient Torque + Flame/Triumph Ring than the mythical combination of 4STR/DEX in a neck item and Toreador's ring.

On the other hand, THF fSTR builds have always interested me. It's always been a shame how little STR they can get in a reasonable TP build. They need a STR+20, Haste+5% hat or something. If I'm remembering right, in low-haste situations where Crit rate (for one reason or another) isn't an issue, it actually makes sense for THF to TP in Alkys over Dusk Gloves +1 just for the +3 fSTR2.

Blau/SK/Bomblet
Turban/Love/Suppa/Brutal
Skadi/Dusk +1/Toreador/Rajas
Cuchu/V-belt/Skadi/Homam

STR+9 orz

Capped fSTR2(+10) pushes Blau/Sirocco's base damage up ~34% (D33/26 to D43/36).
Going from fSTR2 of 4 to 7 (Dusk +1 to Alkys assuming the above set gives an fSTR2 of 4 with merits) gives a boost of ~9% base damage. With double marches, Haste, and the rest of the gear I listed (so ~51% Haste) 4% Haste just barely pulls out a similar increase in damage.
Of course, Homam hands exist as well and I'm just using this as an example of the power of fSTR2 rather than an actual possible case. We barely know monster stats enough to even use this math, and we definitely don't know the monster stats places that matter (Dynamis, Limbus, Salvage, Assault, etc.)

Are you completely negating the TP/WS split here? 9% base damage, then assuming you only have 33% of your damage as WS (seems way too low), becomes only a 6% increase in total damage. This isn't counting your -acc, -crit. 3 haste at 50% haste is a 6% increase in swings. So +12 str is about equal to 3% haste if you're assuming a 33% WS split (on super low base dmg weapons only, want to make sure anyone reading this doesn't get this idea for 2h). Sadly Alky is 11 str vs 3haste, 6dex, and either acc or attack. Also, @ 51% haste before glove, the 3% haste takes a small lead, and 33% WS split seems insanely low to me, but I'm not too familiar with how a thief parses, but, you can't even use a straight WS/TP split, because there's no way you're solo SA or TAing in Alkys. I think naked would do more damage. So we're actually looking at the WS:SA/TAlessTP ratio.

Because even with pizza they cap accuracy on every mob ever rite?

(and pizza is awesome on colibri)

Sushi on colibri. Leave your shitty Ace's helm in the mog.

My maths isn't as good as some of you guys, but isn't 460 smaller than 500?

And isn't ~500 the accuracy needed to cap hit rates on Lurkers (which last I checked was a merit mob...).

And although I have never fought him, I hear you need around 520 accuracy to cap on a certain Black Pony, and again I am not sure of the maths, but isn't 460 also smaller than 520?

So that's 2 mobs (and I am sure there is others) you aren't capped on.

Sorry, gonna have to agree with pchan here, most good bards will put up a madrigal, which will cap you. Cuch mantle may be nice to put on if you're not getting it, but it's not going to solve all your acc problems there. It's also quite expensive if your only use for it is a macro piece on lurkers, but maybe everyone is far richer than me.


It's great for meat builds, but, those are dying.

[Cream Soda]

Why sushi on birds when u can get 93% average hitrate on them? Not worth gaining 2 haste and losing ALL that attack imo and what, 2% average hitrate.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Why sushi on birds when u can get 93% average hitrate on them? Not worth gaining 2 haste and losing ALL that attack imo and what, 2% average hitrate.

I assume he wasn't speaking in regard to full-Usu samurai using Tomoe and having Hasso up 100% of the time, but I could be wrong.

[Stanislaus]

Sorcerer's Petasos vs. Demon Helm +1 with 5 Elemental Magic skill?

[FailureMidgard]

Why sushi on birds when u can get 93% average hitrate on them? Not worth gaining 2 haste and losing ALL that attack imo and what, 2% average hitrate.

You're assuming everyone has full merits in polearm or something? I have 4, personally.

Tomoe/Pole/BTath
Turban/PCC/Hollow/Brutal
Usu/Dusk/Rajas/Iota
Forager/VBelt/Byakko/Usu

This is my TP setup at the moment.
248 = 243 acc
68 base dex +34 dex = 102*.75 = 76.5acc>76
+44 acc on gear
363*1.13=410acc

How do you plan I make up 44 acc exactly? 7 head, 2 ring, 8 back, 2 neck is all I see. And that's going to cost me hours of camping KV, 3mil ring, 5mil back, 7mil neck? At which point I'm still ~30 acc short of capping on higher level birds. Do I give up my true 5hit for double Toreador then? Because the amount of tickles I take, I'd argue that I'll lose far more there than it's worth. I'd also argue that if I had a Love Torque, Ancient Torque is hardly worth the attack loss to gain 2 acc, when I can just use Sushi+Love.

Or are you suggesting full Usu since you said -2% haste? In which case I gain 10 acc instead of 7 and don't have to camp KV? I still don't see how you are ending up only 4 acc short unless you're 8/8 pole merits w/ fulltime Hasso.

[Argettio]

Sorry, gonna have to agree with pchan here, most good bards will put up a madrigal, which will cap you. Cuch mantle may be nice to put on if you're not getting it, but it's not going to solve all your acc problems there. It's also quite expensive if your only use for it is a macro piece on lurkers, but maybe everyone is far richer than me.


It's great for meat builds, but, those are dying.

MDK said that pizza capped him on everything in the game, I simply pointed out that isn't true without support (and even with support he still wouldn't quite make it on DI).

That's it, I wasn't trying to enter into the discussion about Cuc vs Foragers.

In fact Foragers winning is good for me, as it means I don't have to send 4 mil /wait for the campaign op.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I still don't see how you are ending up only 4 acc short unless you're 8/8 pole merits w/ fulltime Hasso.

He is

Which I've told him on more than one occasion that he should probably mention whenever he brings this sort of thing up, lol

[FailureMidgard]

MDK said that pizza capped him on everything in the game, I simply pointed out that isn't true without support (and even with support he still wouldn't quite make it on DI).

That's it, I wasn't trying to enter into the discussion about Cuc vs Foragers.

In fact Foragers winning is good for me, as it means I don't have to send 4 mil /wait for the campaign op.

You left off Chigoes in Ein then! Which I think is far more important than the 1 lurker at a merit camp, but really if your bards aren't awful, they're going to switch to a madrigal on them also. Personally, I just don't see much point in caring about situations when you don't have support. Maybe it's just me, but I hate playing sam if I don't have support. I'll just go switch to a mage or bard myself at that point.

But yea, Cuch is crazy expensive for how situational it is, IMO. That being said, I think it's a much better item for some other jobs than sam. But I don't see a reason to move away from Sushi on birds, and Pizza on not birds.