What's Better?

[Viq]

What's better: Lleu's Charm or Qiqirn Collar? I'll work on Hope Torque eventually, but in the meantime I want to know if it's worth trying to get the charm, or if I should stick with rat collar.

Vulcan/Axe/S.Bow/Demon
AF/???/Vision/Triumph
Osode/S.Kote/Rajas/Behemoth+1
Amemet+1/RK+2/Cobra/Cobra

Before people go nuts, I'm 600 points shy of Buc's Belt. I'm also sitting on 2 Dea pops to be able to swap out Cobra legs for Enkidu. I'm redoing ACP to get r.acc/snapshot body soon.

[Wulfgang]

Correct

Stan tried Full Ares .v. various mixes and ended with - FFXIAH.com.

A number of people have tried various mixes. The following is one of the better threads discussing it:

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/73538...-ws-build.html

I agree with Taint's conclusion:

I've played with just about every set I could think of from huge STR builds to AGI/INT builds and everything in between.

Focusing on ATT and DA is where its at. For the biggest WS returns I use Full Ares but for the most part I'm running in my Haste set and just swap in Gorget+Ares legs for WS. The legs are nice for the DA boost during the WS and I also keep them on as long as the AM effect is active.

[matix]

What's better: Lleu's Charm or Qiqirn Collar? I'll work on Hope Torque eventually, but in the meantime I want to know if it's worth trying to get the charm, or if I should stick with rat collar.

Vulcan/Axe/S.Bow/Demon
AF/???/Vision/Triumph
Osode/S.Kote/Rajas/Behemoth+1
Amemet+1/RK+2/Cobra/Cobra

Before people go nuts, I'm 600 points shy of Buc's Belt. I'm also sitting on 2 Dea pops to be able to swap out Cobra legs for Enkidu. I'm redoing ACP to get r.acc/snapshot body soon.

qiqirn

[Sta]

Quick question... You think i should use Warrior's Stone (STR+5 ACC+7) or Warwolf Belt (STR+5 DEX+5) for lolrampage? Here's my normal WS set:

http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1257700737
(there's +38 ACC there, it seems way too much)

It's pretty much tossing it up between 7 ACC to help all 5 hits land or the +5 DEX to give the rampage crit mod a little boost.
At my last Mamool merit PT (using Sole) some of my rampage hits would be missing, lowering the WS below 600... and that was with Warrior's Stone. it wasn't happening often, but it was happening.

Birds are the same, I regularly land all 5 hits, but it seems like i am missing at least 1 swing every 5 weapon skills. (This would be without Madrigal and with meat).

[Martinius]

i'm not a war, but i am a mnk, where the same issue arises in landing all hits of asuran fists (admittedly a little easier for mnk). eyeballing your gear, i would lose the flame ring for a for an acc ring, and if it's in your budget (it's not in mine, so going anecdotally), a cuchulain's mantle. that's an extra 10-12 acc, without losing any dex. other than that, merits into axe, and maybe a sea gorget.

[Sta]

i'm not a war, but i am a mnk, where the same issue arises in landing all hits of asuran fists (admittedly a little easier for mnk). eyeballing your gear, i would lose the flame ring for a for an acc ring, and if it's in your budget (it's not in mine, so going anecdotally), a cuchulain's mantle. that's an extra 10-12 acc, without losing any dex. other than that, merits into axe, and maybe a sea gorget.

I'll try out my Sniper's+1 in place of the Flame. I can afford a Cuch mantle but i don't want to, lol. I have some more important upgrades to deal with at the moment.

[mdkuser]

I'll try out my Sniper's+1 in place of the Flame. I can afford a Cuch mantle but i don't want to, lol. I have some more important upgrades to deal with at the moment.

try to estimate you total accuracy on TP phase (after sushi), and do the same for your WS gear. I have a habbit of using as much accuracy during TP and multihit WS, because I always assume my TP gear caps my hit rate, and it works very well (I do it on mnk/thf/drk/nin). If you need more accuracy, I suggest a MKD head with 25+acc instead of cuch/stone.

[Bozo]

What's the best axe combo for BST besides Man/Temp? Have temp axe, stones might be an issue however.

Maneater/Iron Ram Pick, Woodville's/Maneater, or some other combo?

[Byrthnoth]

Sirius Axe/Maneater is best for 6 person parties . . . (on BST >.>)
Woodville/Maneater or Maneater/Juggernaut is preferred by some.

[wildmuffin]

With the new ammo piece Astrolabe out, I'd like to get some feedback what you think about using this in a Mercy Stroke WS gearsetup.


My Mercy Stroke gear is focused on STR (obviously) and im using:
Heca Head, Body, Feet, Hands.
Oily trousers (until i can get Heca Legs)
Raja/Flame rings
Triump Earrings
Foragers Mantle
Warwolf Belt
Kubira Beads Neck (until i can get Justice)
Mandau (main) X's Knife (offhand)

I'm currently using Fire Bomblet for TPing, and Bomb Core for WS.
I am not good with formulas, so my question is:
"Would the +1 STR and +3 ACC be an improvement to the 12 ATT on the Bomb Core for MS?"

[mdkuser]

With the new ammo piece Astrolabe out, I'd like to get some feedback what you think about using this in a Mercy Stroke WS gearsetup.


My Mercy Stroke gear is focused on STR (obviously) and im using:
Heca Head, Body, Feet, Hands.
Oily trousers (until i can get Heca Legs)
Raja/Flame rings
Triump Earrings
Foragers Mantle
Warwolf Belt
Kubira Beads Neck (until i can get Justice)
Mandau (main) X's Knife (offhand)

I'm currently using Fire Bomblet for TPing, and Bomb Core for WS.
I am not good with formulas, so my question is:
"Would the +1 STR and +3 ACC be an improvement to the 12 ATT on the Bomb Core for MS?"

12 att will beat one str. one str is very likely do do nothing to your WSC and fstr, and even if it does increase it, its gonna be less. Sea gorgets, dont use kubira.

[wildmuffin]

12 att will beat one str. one str is very likely do do nothing to your WSC and fstr, and even if it does increase it, its gonna be less. Sea gorgets, dont use kubira.

Ok thanks for the reply.

Regarding the sea gorgets its been confirmed before that you will get the best results for:

SA+MS with Kubira
TA+MS with Justice Torque

Edit: here is a link with some formulas.
httttttttttp://shamayaasura.livejournal.com/4151.html

[mdkuser]

yeah nvm about teh gorgets, I totally forgot MS has 300 ftp.

[seiji]

wrong thread ...

[Pirian]

Dusk feet+1 over Usukane sune-ate? Making 6hit with usukane body+rajas and stp merits

The current consensus for samurai seems to be 6hit first, then gear for max haste, then att in the spots left and use pizza to make up the acc, so wondering why this doesn't seem to be used that much

[Wolfknight]

Dusk feet+1 over Usukane sune-ate? Making 6hit with usukane body+rajas and stp merits

The current consensus for samurai seems to be 6hit first, then gear for max haste, then att in the spots left and use pizza to make up the acc, so wondering why this doesn't seem to be used that much

well if you use body/rajas/feet you can use sword strap, also body/rajas/brutal for only stp for tp means you have to ws in more stp though.

[Pirian]

well if you use body/rajas/feet you can use sword strap, also body/rajas/brutal for only stp for tp means you have to ws in more stp though.

Will 1% haste beat out sword strap? If so then use rose for +10 stp during ws, or ws in usukane haramaki for the same +12 you tp in. Only losing 2 str over osode for a faster 6hit seems worth it.

[FailureMidgard]

Dusk feet+1 over Usukane sune-ate? Making 6hit with usukane body+rajas and stp merits

The current consensus for samurai seems to be 6hit first, then gear for max haste, then att in the spots left and use pizza to make up the acc, so wondering why this doesn't seem to be used that much

Because it costs multiple millions compared to a Sword Strap, and I'm not actually sure if it even wins once you consider that you have to use Pole with that setup. It may, but also depending on target you may need to make up acc elsewhere, depending what items you chose/use in slots like ear, neck, ring, back.

In any case, it definitely depends what you're attacking/etc.

[mdkuser]

well if you use body/rajas/feet you can use sword strap, also body/rajas/brutal for only stp for tp means you have to ws in more stp though.

I've been thinking about this lately and its actually a debate of

sword strap + usu feet+ usu body

v.s

pole grip+dusk+1 + usu body.

The second one wins in a pizza build, because with 2 marches and during hasso (66% haste), sword strap is = to 1% haste.

also neither set ups require special stp on WS with max merits.

[Meat]

I'm more curious about
_ hit not withstanding does sword strap always beat out pole grip?