What's Better?

[Wulfgang]

Rune Chopper + Ares's Cuirass + Sanction + Balrahn's Ring in salvage was pretty sweet before Apoc.

[Callisto]

If refresh is not a concern(ie: mages aren't going to be missing out on mp they need to cast other stuff), rune chopper will beat Perdu. This is a universal statement and it's irrelevant what else you have for gear.

On that note, what about Fort? If all other things are equal, where does it fall vs. Perdu/Rune?

[Tsuko_Asura]

Rune Chopper + Ares's Cuirass + Sanction + Balrahn's Ring in salvage was pretty sweet before Apoc.

..Or just get refresh?

[Kipling]

..Or just get refresh?

That sounds complicated.

[Jeryhn]

..Or just get refresh?

That sounds complicated.

Or just get yourself a Perdu. Fuck you if you want me to Haste you AND Refresh you for more haste outside of a zerg.

During a zerg, sure, you're my baby and I loves you.

[Shinryuu]

All of my shell's RDMs are used to refreshing me. You're a mage not pringles.

[lotmorning]

Pachipachio is it worth it over Hagun?

[Yugl]

All of my shell's RDMs are used to refreshing me. You're a mage not pringles.

I don't get it.

Pachipachio is it worth it over Hagun?

No.

[Despain]

Have 500k on me. What do I buy first, Prism Cape or Mahatma's Slops? I'm leaning towards Prism since I'd notice more of a difference of what I'm using now. My RDM needs a major upgrade.

[Yugl]

Have 500k on me. What do I buy first, Prism Cape or Mahatma's Slops? I'm leaning towards Prism since I'd notice more of a difference of what I'm using now. My RDM needs a major upgrade.

Mahats and use Gleeman/Aslan?

[Despain]

Mahats and use Gleeman/Aslan?

Out of the question since I've yet to find an einherjar linkshell (mostly because I haven't really looked).

But I made my decision.

[pchan]

Pachipachio is it worth it over Hagun?

It's better than Hagun if you got usu body/feet.

[Cream Soda]

It's better than Hagun if you got usu body/feet.

Pachi is shit, should never be used. if you want a 5hit, augment a Rindo.

[mdkuser]

Pachi is shit, should never be used. if you want a 5hit, augment a Rindo.

the question was "is it better than hagun". The answer is yes. why would you not use a better GK than hagun?

But its better at the condition you own elite gear: usu feet+ body and possibly cuchu mantle to counter the -6 acc. Thats not really restrictive because hagun is also "shit" if you do not have at least feet or body. replace "shit" by mediocre if you prefer.

If you do the maths you find that 437 delay, 6-hit hagun ( sword strap) is (only) ~1% ish below 5-hit pachi with pole grip, provided you cap acc with both GKs. If you do not cap then of course hagun, but how often do you not cap acc with pizza? I do not have full merits and can get 450+ acc easilly with pizza, even more with sushi. That is overkill.

The maths was done accounting for all possible DAs happening during your TP building cycle, assuming cap acc for both, ignoring the attack advantage from pachi, ignoring also random stuff like: sekkanoki sc damage, the fact that none of your meditated TP is wasted with pachipachio ( 20.0 tp per hit) unlike hagun, possibility to self sc each time meditate is up ( and possibly land 3 step sc with very high haste). so in the end its more than 1%.

[Jeryhn]

Have 500k on me. What do I buy first, Prism Cape or Mahatma's Slops? I'm leaning towards Prism since I'd notice more of a difference of what I'm using now. My RDM needs a major upgrade.

Buy a HQ staff.

[ZhiGaruda]

unlike hagun, possibility to self sc each time meditate is up ( and possibly land 3 step sc with very high haste). so in the end its more than 1%.

Putting aside all the other crap you spewed, are you saying it's not possible for a Hagun-user to self SC or even self-3-part-light when meditating?

Do you suck?

[TheMysteriousX]

the question was "is it better than hagun". The answer is yes. why would you not use a better GK than hagun?

437 delay, 6-hit hagun

Why would you use a sword strap? Use a Rose strap and stick on more haste.

[pchan]

Why would you use a sword strap? Use a Rose strap and stick on more haste.

You don't need rose strap with pachi and you don't need to lose haste beide fuma.

[TheMysteriousX]

Not disputing the Pachi side of the comparison, but the Hagun setup that he's done "maffs" with is frankly, retarded.

Comparing a "Perfect" pachi setup to a terrible Hagun one tells you nothing.

[pchan]

Not disputing the Pachi side of the comparison, but the Hagun setup that he's done "maffs" with is frankly, retarded.

Comparing a "Perfect" pachi setup to a terrible Hagun one tells you nothing.

He did not compare bad hagun setup with good pachi setup, so no. He actually said usu feet or body are needed to take the max out of hagun. So no, go away.