What's Better?

[stewie]

Birds I'm assuming? First setup.

[Cream Soda]

Yea birds, just don't know if joy at that low of acc is gonna make up for the 12% increase I lose from raparee

[lolwut]

RDM/NIN

Guesipire / Joyeuse
Justice Sword / Joyeuse
Enhancing Sword / Joyeuse
Oberon's Rapier w/ DMG+3-4~ and Sword Enspell damage / Joyeuse

Which combo would be the most ideal with enspell 2 active and Death Blossom WS in most situations?

Joy/Justice will give you the best results out of those combos (please remember to mainhand Joy, Justice mainhand is doinitrong), but you will likely get better results out of Blau/Joy. I have 4 sword merits and Suppa, and Blau/Joy combo still outperforms on most stuff I melee because of the low delay and superior ws dmg.

If you want to use en2s, I'd recommend going Joy/Sentinel Shield. Really effective on higher def mobs where the enspells put out better dmg than a second weapon.

[Shalafi]

for SAM WS

Rutter or Creek? loltaru

[Yugl]

for SAM WS

Rutter or Creek? loltaru

Creeks.

[Byrthnoth]

5.1TP/hit with Azoth/BK+1 and 6 STP
5.3TP/hit with Azoth/Joyeuse and 6 STP

Set 1: 5.3 TP/hit, 184 Delay per hit, 19% Haste from gear, 10% Haste from Samba, 35% from magic, 5% DA rate main hand, 50% DA rate on off-hand, 92/70% Acc. -- 4.84TP/sec
Set 2: 5.1TP/hit, 175 Delay per hit, 23% Haste from gear, 10% Haste from Samba, 35% from magic, 85% Acc, 5% DA rate. 4.88TP/sec

So TP gain is as close to even as you can really get.
Set 1: Same conditions, (.92*35*1.05+1.5*35*.7)*(60/(368*.36)) = 31.95 DPS
Set 2: Same conditions, (.85*35*1.05+.85*32*.1.05)*(60/(350*.32)) = 32.03 DPS and 10 Attack

I'd use the BK+1 set as it came out slightly better in both categories and offers 10 Attack to both hands, along with the extra attack from skill on your offhand.

Also, I'm leveling DNC and haven't played with it in merit parties much if at all that I can remember, but does DNC really have to worry about its food getting stolen much? I was hoping to be able to eat Pizza or real Sushi in birds parties due to lolDNC DD.

[Cream Soda]

Well I haven't done it personally, because I haven't merited on dnc since the pt I dinged 75 in, but I hear that dnc w/ building flourish can get some high numbers, so let's say you TP dump at the start of a mob, decent chance of getting food stolen.

Hell, I went to get a buffer on my pup/war and my pizza+1 lasted me an entire 2 mobs and afterward, went through a stack and a half of sushi.

After looking at daggers, this one catches my interest. Kinda like a semi Sirroco
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/ff.../Cinquedea.png I think the benefits of the low delay will outweigh a behemoth+1

[requim]

Would you be pure DD?

Since you should be using saber dance often if not full time, that really pushes dual daggers ahead since you would have 10-50% DA on a weapon with higher accuracy compared to gaining half that for Joy.

Redoing equation to
(.85*35*1.35+.85*32*1.35)*(60/(350*.32))=41.18705
(.92*35*1.35+1.65*35*.7)*(60/(368*.36))=37.99592

Adjusted expected DA rate for daggers to be 35% (brutal plus averaged SD) and joy's to be 65%. Basic point is that dagger full benefit from DA while Joy only gains about half the appeal since Joy and DA compete for proc iirc.

Store TP on that dagger is for 100+ TP, which should not be often in a merit situation assuming you're there to DD. If you're main healing, then that's another story and it's awesome.

I would try to get one of the following to pair with Azoth though over BK+1, though once you have saber dance and don't need to heal, saber dance is awesome.
Ermine's Tail (34/194)
Papilio Kirpan ("blau" 35/201 14atk)
Lyft Jambiya (assuming it has something useful like acc/atk/str/dex)

[Cream Soda]

Yea, I'd be fulltiming saber, only dropping it in emergency, as DNC is NOT a suitable main healer (get someone who can cast haste), I'd be there for haste samba and damage.

[Shalafi]

Creeks.

Thanks, that saves me the time and bother of chasing Rutter.

[Vodak]

Sorry if someone ask it before but i didn't find any post aobut it.

For THF SA/TA+WS Hollow or Ethereal?

[Raen Ryong]

Hollow in most cases.

[Vodak]

Hollow in most cases.

Thanks

[Byrthnoth]

Sirocco has less delay and more damage, but I see where you're going with it.

Azoth/Cinq

Conditions are: 5% DA, 6STP, 35% magic haste, 23% gear Haste, 10% Samba Haste, 15% DW, 85% Acc

5.0TP/hit w/6STP

5.36TP/sec (nice boost!)
(.85*35*1.05+.85*25*1.05)*(60/(311*.32)) = 32.13 DPS

Edit: Btw, this is assuming the latent is never active and no other gear choices have changed. Also, all calculations thus far have been made without Suppa because Veg doesn't have it, but having Suppa sometimes changes the TP gained by .1 in either direction and actually has a pretty dramatic impact on the results. Papilo Kirpan is probably the best DNC main-hand right now, but Cinq makes a convincing argument for the offhand just on the basis of the boost it gives to your TP gain.

Note- For some reason the ffwiki page (at least the last time I read it) had Joyeuse and Saber Dance's DAs being non-exclusive. I don't know if that's right or not, but I assumed it was. Either way, Knife/Knife wins for a first level comparison, and if you were going to put merits into it imop it'd make more sense to go 8/8 Dagger and push your Acc up into the 90s than to do 8/8 Sword so your offhand Joyeuse doesn't suck.

[requim]

For SA always because it would add two base damage to the first hit (which could be further multiplied by SB, MS, etc)

If you're just using TAWS you'll still benefit from the acc and dex (DE/evis) as they are each 30% dex iirc.

I would guess that you would be better off with the ~2/3 chance of another base damage compared to 5atk on weaker mobs where your accuracy would otherwise be capped, but there would be times where 5 atk would do you more good. Of course there are very few things of any consequence where you would naturally have capped acc on, so I would say hollow in general wins.

[Andradi]

Joy/Justice will give you the best results out of those combos (please remember to mainhand Joy, Justice mainhand is doinitrong), but you will likely get better results out of Blau/Joy. I have 4 sword merits and Suppa, and Blau/Joy combo still outperforms on most stuff I melee because of the low delay and superior ws dmg.

Is this true for everything, or just on piercing weak mobs?

I've found Death Blossom damage to be pretty similar to Evisceration during random farming, but then my combo is Daylight Dagger / Joyeuse. Blau for lolrdmmelee is kind of out of my means at the moment. 8 sword merits, 1 dagger (to be dropped soonish). No suppa.

[lolwut]

Is this true for everything, or just on piercing weak mobs?

I've found Death Blossom damage to be pretty similar to Evisceration during random farming, but then my combo is Daylight Dagger / Joyeuse. Blau for lolrdmmelee is kind of out of my means at the moment. 8 sword merits, 1 dagger (to be dropped soonish). No suppa.

Without using a Blau lvl base dmg on your dagger, they'll probably come out about even. My sword ws set is superior to my dagger set atm, but my dagger dmg was (when I was landing the hits) doing 75-100 more dmg on Manticore/Cockatrice while I was camping Kruetzet.

It's performed better in campaign as well, although I prefer Joy/Justice there just to burn all the stones I have built up.

You're on Asura as well, I'd be happy to head out to some field area with you to do comparison parses.

[Valkrish]

For thief-

Rapparee Harness or Enkidu Harness for TP

[Wulfgang]

Depends on accuracy, total haste, etc.

[Kyte]

For PUP on birds:

Mirkegeon, or Pantin?