What's Better?

[Dooom]

If you're using sword on thf, you're either gearing yourself very horribly, or fighting things too weak to really worry over. I am curious as to the context of this gear dilemma, though!

[firepixiedarien]

How much ACC is "too much ACC" for a PLD/NIN's TP/idle set, before I need to consider putting in some STR/ATK/Haste gear instead? Cuz this is what I planned on:

-Champ's Galea - ACC+10/ATK+10/STORE TP+4

-Chivalrous Chain

-Suppanomimi

-Assault ear

-Hauby

-Dusk gloves

-Cuchu mantle

-Virtuoso Belt

-Kusha & Lava Rings

-Blitzer Poleyn - ACC & ATK +7

-Amir Boots

There's also food to consider with the gear as well, if I toss in Dorado or Tentacle Sushi with that gear above, would that be overkill on ACC and not enough STR/ATK?


I've alrdy got joytoy, and my sword is capped @ 276, with 5 merits alrdy.

I also only have one merit into a base stat, which is VIT. I don't know whether to continue pumpin VIT, since ya know, I am a friggin pally; or instead raise DEX for even more ACC or raise STR to help me not hit for 0.

[Kyte]

Maximize Haste first, then start worrying about accuracy. Also redo your pants and head.

[Wolfknight]

Maximize Haste first, then start worrying about accuracy. Also redo your pants and head.

this though 7 acc/3 haste on MKD might be viable over turban depending on your acc, and haste. Dusk feet, and Swift/headlong belt would be good in it, and also you can get cuch but not PCC?

[firepixiedarien]

I've alrdy got the PCA, I just thought the Chivalrous Chain would help give me Store TP+5 when combined with the Moogle Add-On Helmet Store TP augment.

And no, none of the gear I mentioned I actually have atm, cept for Joytoy.

[Raen Ryong]

-Champ's Galea - ACC+10/ATK+10/STORE TP+4

Walahra Turban

-Chivalrous Chain

PCC

-Dusk gloves

Homam ideally.

-Virtuoso Belt

Swifty/Velo/Speed.

-Kusha & Lava Rings

If Rajas: 5acc+ / Rajas
If not: fine

-Blitzer Poleyn - ACC & ATK +7

7Acc/Haste. Failing that, Homam. Failing that, Aurum or Dusk.

-Amir Boots

Homam/Dusk/Aurum

There's also food to consider with the gear as well, if I toss in Dorado or Tentacle Sushi with that gear above, would that be overkill on ACC and not enough STR/ATK?

With the gear above, not even close. Even with perfect gear probably not.

I also only have one merit into a base stat, which is VIT. I don't know whether to continue pumpin VIT, since ya know, I am a friggin pally; or instead raise DEX for even more ACC or raise STR to help me not hit for 0.

VIT merits are a joke; get STR or DEX. 5x VIT merit and the damage decrease will be negligable on anything hard enough to warrant further preparation to gear/food/support etc.

[Chen]

On the topic of pld's melee gear. I need alot of AN which I normally would get as PLD via campaigning.

I don't have /DNC, but have every other subjob, so I was wondering what's best to use (assume non NM)

pld/rdm pld/war or pld/nin

i've found PLD/WAR to work better for me so far, but I also have a kraken, would joy/kraken be > joy/terror shield?

if it's relevant at all, i have homam/hauby+1/cuch etc.

edit: & yes i'm leveling /DNC atm and will probably use it when it's 37

[JustaWAR]

Is Fort. Axe better than Perdu if accuracy isn't capped? I tried it the other day in Einherjar and was around 88-90% acc. I'm usually around cap with perdu/bomblet

[Raen Ryong]

PLD/RDM has the highest survivability and adds to your MP pool which is always nice. Phalanx allows you to tank many many minor mobs at once in a damage reduction build.

Joy/KClub will outTP Joy/Shield but won't even come close to it in terms of survivability.

Is Fort. Axe better than Perdu if accuracy isn't capped?

As long as you're not a long way under cap, generally yeah. Gap becomes a little bit closer if Perdu allows you to cap + Blitz Ring, but I'd still give it to Fort.

[Yugl]

Raen, what ACC are you aiming for when you say PLD cannot reach capped ACC? I haven't looked at PLD, but I'm wondering you have an idea of what ACC they (And consequently, DDs) should strive for. I typically base the ACC needed at 420-430 since it lets you hit BLU Mamools and MNK Trolls. Mobs before that tend to be in the 423-25 ACC range and mobs after that come in the ridiculous 450ACC range.

[Raen Ryong]

I mean on HNM and stuff since this is what you're be Atonement tanking. I could be entirely wrong, but I don't think -any- amount of possible accuracy you can wear in gear (without sacrificing a lot of Haste (eg Ares Mask)) with sushi will let you hit 95% of the time. I could be wrong.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I mean on HNM and stuff since this is what you're be Atonement tanking. I could be entirely wrong, but I don't think -any- amount of possible accuracy you can wear in gear (without sacrificing a lot of Haste (eg Ares Mask)) with sushi will let you hit 95% of the time. I could be wrong.

You're not wrong, paladin won't cap on anything with full haste, except maybe Faf

[Nightfyre]

Highest I'm seeing with no outside buffs is ~440-445 with maxed gear using Dorado Sushi and no Madrigal or Hunter's Roll. Turban, Homam x3 and a Haste belt assumed, Rajas Ring, everything else was maxed accuracy. So no, you're not going to be capping against HNM-type mobs with gear and sushi alone and your buffs are going to be focused elsewhere.

[Yugl]

So what ACC is necessary to cap against HNMs?

[Psylentcuda]

What's better for a moderately geared Taru DRK zerg set? M Kris, B Zaghnal, or Ridill?

[Darlantan]

What's better for a moderately geared Taru DRK zerg set? M Kris, B Zaghnal, or Ridill?

M. Kris.

The scythe could be useful if havent got SV'ed or not Madrigals at all depending on the target I'd guess, but other than that, given all of them occasionally double and triple attack, go with the one with lowest delay.

[Flic]

Ive found pld/rdm very good in campiagn with joy, but yeah, when dnc is 35 use that as more xp for the extra dmg you take I believe.

[Arnavel]

1. With Coeurl Subs, you're not at capped cap for neither birds nor any other worthy mob. Change that to Pizza and you can keep the Blitz ring no problem.

If you're adamant about not using pizza, you have to make the following changes:
- Chiv Chain => PCC or L Torque
- ACP Body => ACP Body (10ACC + 4sTP)
- Foragers => Cuchulain Mantle

You still won't be capped, but it's much better than what you currently have. The only way to cap ACC on non-Colibri tier mobs is to use Pizza in most cases. This places you are 401 ACC (That is six short for Colibri, and variably less for other mobs).

2. This depends on what you did for (1). If you're still using subs, then you need as much ACC as you can obtain, so ACP will beat Askar. If you cannot change your body piece's stats, you can replace Chiv PCC, L Torque, or Ancient Torque, and use Echpo Ring.

If you made the change to Pizza, Askar + Pole Grip will win since the difference will come to (12ATT + 2% DA v 10ACC + 5DEX). Since Pizza will essentially cap your ACC, the DEX and ACC will be of little importance.

Much appreciated!!

I managed to get to get hold of the Askar body over the weekend (and a Fay Lance with 4 dmg, 3dex, 2str, 1 dmg away from perfect but still better than thasso) and subsequentially changed rose strap to pole and began eating Marinana Pizza's :D

[requim]

Not really a what's better, but quick question about suggesting pld/rdm for campaign. Is all xp accumulated based on how much damage you take before or after phalanx, stoneskin, etc?

I could easily be mistaken, but I thought trying to mitigate damage actually decreased your potential xp. So basically the optimal solution was a sam/dnc spamming attack rounds, taking tons of damage, and spamming heals. Whereas a pld/rdm would be hitting for low damage and getting for 0 relatively often.

[Raen Ryong]

You could be right there... I just really enjoy being able to tank at the same time, whereas pld/dnc is kind of meh against a lot of the bosses. I would still make 2-3k exp per Campaign which isn't stupidly short but a pld/dnc could potentially make more.