What's Better?

[noodles355]

"The majority does that" is not a great argument. The majority of melees used meat in meripo before pizza was released ... and still nowadays.

Doesn't actually answer my question. There must have been some reason why nobody used Waghs, considering they cost about 10k off the AH.
Even if it's as simple a reason as "people are idiots".


Did you use Waghs?

[Hitoseijuro]

Doesn't actually answer my question. There must have been some reason why nobody used Waghs, considering they cost about 10k off the AH.
Even if it's as simple a reason as "people are idiots".

The answer is probably going to be because people assumed their accuracy was just fine. Your typical meat monk back then only had roughly around 358.7-368.7 accuracy which would be around 70-75% acc or lower in some camps when focus was down. Obviously this isnt enough, but being a mnk many years, I still remember reading about how "good" their accuracy was. Even today when a lot is already known, you will still get people wearing less accuracy than they should because they *feel* that their accuracy is fine.

As far as Waghs vs Destroyers go, I wouldnt call them better than destroyers, if anything they are "on par" with them. If best, it would be a best case scenerio waghs, worst case scenerio for destroyers, that youd get waghs > Destroyers. Ofcourse you have to be on the ball with your ws, any TP over flow around 120tp for waghs and they quickly lose out to destroyers.

[mdkuser]

And if I remember back then ( I didn't havemonk leveled), the craze was bone PTS in KRT with only tough mobs. I remember those monks bragging about their burns there.. and the other merit camps ( Ullegerand, sky) had mobs much lower level than now.

[clobetasol]

Maat's cap vs. AGI+4 Increases weapon skill damage (+2%) + STR+4 Weapon Skill Accuracy +15
for Coronach

[Xaru]

For pure nuke damage, Ebon Coat vs Genie Weskit--assuming a fully MAB geared Black Mage.

[Chen]

genie

[Xaru]

genie

Without a doubt? As I thought MAB had increasingly diminishing returns the more you stack, but INT was just INT-- so it would be 7 MAB versus 4 MAB and 5 INT...

Edit: just did the maths and Genie beats it out, but it's better than NQ weskit!

[Yarko]

Maat's cap vs. AGI+4 Increases weapon skill damage (+2%) + STR+4 Weapon Skill Accuracy +15
for Coronach

if you don't need the WS acc (I assume coronach has the same acc bonus as other 1hit WSs and thus has capped acc in pretty much any situation?) then Maat's cap hands down.

[Kirschy]

if you don't need the WS acc (I assume coronach has the same acc bonus as other 1hit WSs and thus has capped acc in pretty much any situation?) then Maat's cap hands down.

Yea here's some of the math on it~

Assuming ~50% on fSTR2 of ranged attacks, and 40% AGI, 40% DEX as mods.

Maat's (7 STR, 7 DEX, 7 AGI) vs MKD (4 STR, 4 AGI, WS DMG+2%)

Reduces to:
3 STR, 3 AGI, 7 DEX vs WS DMG+2%

Mods round down, so I'm just giving an average.

3 STR * .5 = ~1.5 base DMG
3 AGI * .4 * .83 = ~1 base DMG
7 DEX * .4 * .83 = ~2 base DMG

4.5 base DMG * capped Attack(3.0) * 3.0 fTP = 40.5 damage.

In order for MKD's 2% to win, you'd need to do over 2025 damage.

[firepixiedarien]

PLD/NIN TP body:

1. Hauby +1

or

2. Avalon Breastplate

[Darlantan]

PLD/NIN TP body:

1. Hauby +1

or

2. Avalon Breastplate

Hauby +1 to tp with. Can make a case for Avalon Breastplate if fighting a mob with dangerous and fast magical moves for which you predict you wont have enough time to swap to your MDT & MDB setup, but those mobs are usually not Atonement friendly, reason for Avalon to be mainly a situational piece (SS if no Crimson or sometimes ACP, MDT if no I.R. etc).

[Hitoseijuro]

PLD/NIN TP body:

1. Hauby +1

or

2. Avalon Breastplate

Situational will always be situational, but from experience, 85-95% of the time, youll be in Hauby+1.

Helps more if you can point ppl to what mobs you had in mind. ^This, if just in general all mobs in endgame. Str/attack from hauby+1 really help with reducing 0s while maintaining a good chunk of acc.

[Feedmenow]

On the note of atonementspam PLD, Marinara Pizza or Dorado Sushi for gods/jailers I'd atonement spam/Ks99 wyrm/limbus bosses?

[Argettio]

I'd do the haste, you can easily get PDT legs outside of that but if you don't have Nashira you can't get something else comparable for recasts.

I like the idea of being able to do two jobs with the same pair of legs, but on the face of it, the 2 augs don't look 'right' together.

Go the whole lolhog and get Haste and ACC like a bawss. :3

The only place I melee on RDM is Campaign and with Composure I don't need the acc.

I went with PDT+Speed. The ability to have movement speed without sacrificing PDT is very nice.

In the few situations where I actually need to get the hell out of Dodge, I would be thankful of taking less damage.

I think I will take haste for now, as it will be used more often than the PDT. If I get nashira legs then I will probably redo the fight for Movements/PDT.

[Hitoseijuro]

On the note of atonementspam PLD, Marinara Pizza or Dorado Sushi for gods/jailers I'd atonement spam/Ks99 wyrm/limbus bosses?

Sushi probably(sky), you shouldnt be hitting any 0s outside of genbu(pizza probably on genbu), as far as sea, probably wouldnt matter.

And yes, atonement is great for ks99/limbus bosses. On omega, once hes perma 2legged though, theres no reason to atone/tp up on him on pld imo.

Aside from byakko/prudence sushi vs pizza is going to be 10% hitrate vs 50-55att. If atonement is all you are looking for, than either is fine. If w/e dot you can muster from joys melee matters aswell to you, pizza+1.

Heres something to consider aswell, from what I discussed with another pld from their acc and parse, omega/ultima , you need around 467~ish to cap acc. As they had 437 ish, and parsed roughly 78-82% for both, I havent been able to confirm this myself yet though. However, khim and cerb are around 440~ish to cap acc, so that should give you a ball park of where you want your pld acc to be close to.

[seiji]

what's faster: pld/nin joy justice no suppa VS pld/drg, @ what haste does it change
(lol PLD in lsmeripo)

[Byrthnoth]

You're changing too many variables at once there. Which sword does the PLD/DRG use? Do they use Brutal? Do they use Homam body? Do they need the 10 Acc from /DRG? Do they need the full 5% Haste from Wyvern Earring? Do they also need the 1% Haste from Wyvern targe, and do they use it?

Easy answer would be:
.85*(1-x) = (1-x-.05)
.15x = .1
x = ~67% Haste.

67% Haste isn't possible to reach for a PLD with only 20% Haste in gear (needing the full 5% from Wyvern earring) (35% from Magic + 20% from gear + 10% from Samba = 65%), thus it's never a good idea to sub DRG over NIN. However, this undervalues the DRG sub overall, as there is 10 Acc/Atk and Jumps to take into account, along with the minor difference between Joyeuse or Justice solo and Joy/Justice duo (STR+7, having a ranged slot, piercing damage).

[Argettio]

You're changing too many variables at once there. Which sword does the PLD/DRG use? Do they use Brutal? Do they use Homam body? Do they need the 10 Acc from /DRG? Do they need the full 5% Haste from Wyvern Earring? Do they also need the 1% Haste from Wyvern targe, and do they use it?

Says Hi

But silliness aside, there is a lot of info missing from the OP.

[Vodak]

Isn't exactly a question of whats better, maybe a question of whats worth more. The doubt come from Hauberk vs Osode for BST, for you info i not have more jobs that can equip hauberk or osode, i use it for solo in boyahda and casually in events like limbus for pull, never HNM/merit/dynamis/etc... So, trying to save room, i'm decent equiped with a Osode for tp or i have to get both?

[Hegarty]

I'm thinking about levelling DRG because I have most the gear for it from THF but I'm really not sure what to do from here for Drakesbane, assuming Valkyrie's Fork and ignoring the 2 DEX I get from Thallasocrat atm:

Valkyries Fork
Sword Strap
----
Tiphia Sting
Hecatomb Cap
Love Torque
Ear1
Brutal Earring
Body??
Hecatomb Mittens
Thunder Ring
Rajas Ring
Cuchulain's Mantle
Warwolf Belt
Legs
Hecatomb Leggings

Which gives me 65+38 DEX currently, leaving 14 to be gained to cap dDEX on Greater Colibri (the only mob I care about atm).

Ear1 choices: Hollow Earring, Coral Earring (DEX+1, Attack+5), Triumph Earring
Body choices: Zahak's Mail, Aurum Cuirass
Legs choices: Hecatomb, Ares, Askar

Accuracy is not an issue and Love Torque is staying in before someone says to use a WS Gorget, I am just concerned what the best 3 choices would be there and why. Please do not say "X+Y because I use it and I said so", I'm more interested in a rough calculation of x STR/Attack/Crit Rate adds y damage.