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    I would have thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodak View Post
    Isn't exactly a question of whats better, maybe a question of whats worth more. The doubt come from Hauberk vs Osode for BST, for you info i not have more jobs that can equip hauberk or osode, i use it for solo in boyahda and casually in events like limbus for pull, never HNM/merit/dynamis/etc... So, trying to save room, i'm decent equiped with a Osode for tp or i have to get both?
    For farming, Osode should be fine full-timed. Even if it's not completely optimal, it's farming, you're not exactly dragging anyone else down.

    Limbus you would likely benefit from a Hauberk.

    I'd say to get/keep a Haub though. It's only one inventory slot, and the cost/benefit just can't really be beat if you happen to need the accuracy (particularly). Chances are you have far more marginal items that could be left behind/muled/whatever.

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    So 29 (including the STR difference) Attack is better than 8 STR, 2% DA and 3% crit rate? By a vast amount?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrthnoth View Post
    You're changing too many variables at once there. Which sword does the PLD/DRG use? Do they use Brutal? Do they use Homam body? Do they need the 10 Acc from /DRG? Do they need the full 5% Haste from Wyvern Earring? Do they also need the 1% Haste from Wyvern targe, and do they use it?
    /drg: joyeuse, brutal, no homam body, full use of 6haste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodak View Post
    Isn't exactly a question of whats better, maybe a question of whats worth more. The doubt come from Hauberk vs Osode for BST, for you info i not have more jobs that can equip hauberk or osode, i use it for solo in boyahda and casually in events like limbus for pull, never HNM/merit/dynamis/etc... So, trying to save room, i'm decent equiped with a Osode for tp or i have to get both?
    If you're attending events I'd definitely add a TP body, either a haubergeon (useful on a lot of jobs) or the ACP body (can be tweaked for BST, free, and the missions are fun). I went with the ACP body and love it.

    Good luck. ^^

  6. #1446
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    for this combo of jobs which is best AN Earring to get?

    WAR,PLD,NIN,MNK

    and which earring set up to use on PLD Suppa/Brutal, suppa/AN ear, AN ear/Brutal for a TP Build.

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    I have a pretty decent RNG. For most HNM, is it worth it for me to give up on a +2 STR earring for a Novia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OgriBones View Post
    for this combo of jobs which is best AN Earring to get?

    WAR,PLD,NIN,MNK

    and which earring set up to use on PLD Suppa/Brutal, suppa/AN ear, AN ear/Brutal for a TP Build.
    1) Hollow unless you're willing to spam ACP for a Hollow copy, then Ethereal.

    2) Suppa/Hollow unless you pick up Ethereal, at which point Suppa/ACP Hollow > Suppa/Brutal and work your way down from there. Accuracy beats DA since you already have a high DA rate with Joyeuse and your hitrate won't be capped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hegarty View Post
    I'm thinking about levelling DRG because I have most the gear for it from THF but I'm really not sure what to do from here for Drakesbane, assuming Valkyrie's Fork and ignoring the 2 DEX I get from Thallasocrat atm:

    Valkyries Fork
    Sword Strap
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    Tiphia Sting
    Hecatomb Cap
    Love Torque
    Ear1
    Brutal Earring
    Body??
    Hecatomb Mittens
    Thunder Ring
    Rajas Ring
    Cuchulain's Mantle
    Warwolf Belt
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    Hecatomb Leggings

    Which gives me 65+38 DEX currently, leaving 14 to be gained to cap dDEX on Greater Colibri (the only mob I care about atm).

    Ear1 choices: Hollow Earring, Coral Earring (DEX+1, Attack+5), Triumph Earring
    Body choices: Zahak's Mail, Aurum Cuirass
    Legs choices: Hecatomb, Ares, Askar

    Accuracy is not an issue and Love Torque is staying in before someone says to use a WS Gorget, I am just concerned what the best 3 choices would be there and why. Please do not say "X+Y because I use it and I said so", I'm more interested in a rough calculation of x STR/Attack/Crit Rate adds y damage.
    Without Aurum body, if you miss more than 1 hit during Drakesbane, you're back to a 7-hit build instead of a 6-hit build. The effects of this become more important when your ACC is uncapped, which it will be in your current situation. You have 390(.25) ACC with your current set up. Even with the 14DEX from your gear, you need 6.25ACC to reach 407 ACC (Note that ACC is integer based, so these decimal values are only to show DEX oddities). Moreover, the effect of attack diminishes during critical hits (Which you're maximizing) and the effects of criticals diminish as the value increases. That said, you should use the following given your restrictions:

    Set 1

    Ear: Hollow Earring
    Body: Aurum Body
    Legs: Ares Legs

    ACC: 406 (1 Short)
    DEX: 120
    Melee Stats: 15ATT, 14STR, 2%DA, Maintains 6-hit (3/4 situations)

    Set 2
    Ear: Hollow Earring
    Body: Zahak's Mail
    Legs: Ares Legs

    ACC: 407(.5)
    DEX: 122
    Melee Stats: 16STR, 2%DA, 3% Critical Hit, Maintains 6-hit (2/4 situations)

    Set 3
    Ear: Hollow Earring
    Body: Aurum Body
    Legs: Hecatomb Legs

    ACC: 407(.5)
    DEX: 122
    Melee Stats: 35ATT, 8STR, Maintains 6-hit (3/4 situations)

    Set 4
    Ear: Hollow Earring
    Body: Zahaks Body
    Legs: Hecatomb Legs
    Torque: WS Gorget

    ACC: 408
    DEX: 119
    Melee Stats: 20ATT, 10STR, 1fTP (1.6%DMG increase), 3% Critical hit, Maintains 6-hit (2/4 situations)

    Set4-Set1-Set2-Set3

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    Quote Originally Posted by ringthree View Post
    I have a pretty decent RNG. For most HNM, is it worth it for me to give up on a +2 STR earring for a Novia?
    Someone close the door, the breeze is blowing in

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    Quote Originally Posted by ringthree View Post
    I have a pretty decent RNG. For most HNM, is it worth it for me to give up on a +2 STR earring for a Novia?
    for tp? ws? length of fight?

    Uhm for TP it's not a terrible idea if the fight is over like 5min, but you're still going to cap out hate not altogether to much slower than if you stuck to 2str. Rng has shitty ear options (although I guess the new paired earrings trump all options for TP/WS in low-med acc situations) so I wouldn't put it under the "terrible" category.

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    Furia hat (unsure on ebur since i have no chance at getting that right now) vs Motarboard+1 (Sch obviously) really depending on what evoliths one can put on it. unsure on blm, i'm leaning towards demon's helm +1 over that most likely, thoughts?

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    Stack -enmity for HNMs.

    Novia -7
    Zha'Go's -5
    Delta -3
    Bucc -4
    Scout's Socks-3

    -22 Enmity in TP phase

    It'll save you a headache. Not because you won't eventually die, but because the PLDs will whine less!

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    For a Taru ranger what would be the better WS peice for Slugwinder

    Scouts socks (10ranged att)
    Vs.
    Taru Rse (Str+4)

    And for tp which is better?
    Hunter's Beret +1 (Agi4 + rapid shot)
    Vs
    Wyvern helm (dont have access to scnm heads atm)

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    It depends on your current STR, RATK, and the mob you're fighting. On birds I believe you need over ~700 RATK for Skadi's Jambeaux to beat Scout's Socks on SW. Taru RSE has 1 more STR, so the RATK threshold is a bit lower.

    Hunter's Beret +1 > Wyvern for TP.

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    @ RNG enmity, i recommend to just die for a hate reset, single weakness is only HP- effect, you don't incur an increased delay or anything. ill usually use the good pieces that have -enmity on them like barbut/bucc/af2 sox etc.., but don't give up useful pieces just for something with only -enmity, once u start pulling hate on each shot, pop a slugwinder or ees to seal the deal for it to kill you, make sure u run in so u dont get mages involved, i think its especially useful if some sort of GoH phase is about to start; like 40% rolls around and you're starting to get hate on each shot, that'd be a good time to suicide

    @skeelo; if your stck in the .9 - 1.1 pdif range, def the scout sox, the more r.atk you have, the more the STR rse will pull ahead, its gunna take quite alot of r.atk fr a str option to pull ahead, edited in: wulf said it well in the above post~. For TP, definatly use the beret over the wyvern helm, assuming those are your only options

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    Quote Originally Posted by matix View Post
    @ RNG enmity, i recommend to just die for a hate reset, single weakness is only HP- effect, you don't incur an increased delay or anything. ill usually use the good pieces that have -enmity on them like barbut/bucc/af2 sox etc.., but don't give up useful pieces just for something with only -enmity, once u start pulling hate on each shot, pop a slugwinder or ees to seal the deal for it to kill you, make sure u run in so u dont get mages involved, i think its especially useful if some sort of GoH phase is about to start; like 40% rolls around and you're starting to get hate on each shot, that'd be a good time to suicide

    @skeelo; if your stck in the .9 - 1.1 pdif range, def the scout sox, the mroe r.atk you have, the more the STR rse will pull ahead, for TP, definatly use the beret over the wyvern helm, assuming those are your only options
    OR you can just...not grab hate or log off..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shin Volcano View Post
    OR you can just...not grab hate or log off..
    logging off only resets hate if you're the target of the mob when you log, aka, it does nothing except stop your attacks for a minute. You could just afk and get a drink and it would have the same effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shin Volcano View Post
    OR you can just...not grab hate or log off..
    i don't like holding back, and my way is faster! :3

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailureMidgard View Post
    logging off only resets hate if you're the target of the mob when you log, aka, it does nothing except stop your attacks for a minute. You could just afk and get a drink and it would have the same effect.
    The point was: it's a better option then killing your self/losing exp/ being weak with a ahigh possibly of re-dying nerfing your ranged accuracy comeplety for 5 more minutes, when you clearly can just do much smarter things,

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