What's Better?

[Viq]

I feel as though I need to reconsider who I ban from my $50 donation.

[Cairthenn]

Yea, i am, because at this point, the level of stupidty and ignorance is far to great in people like you, if i have to explain how i don't have hate issues as rng and yes, can still do damage then it isn't worth it,

But here is a riddle for you, what Mob do you fight as RNG that stays alive that long that hate becomes so much a problem? excluding khimira and dark ixion, since hate with those 2 is pretty wild at times.

My adivce to you is to stop here.

What...? I don't even know what you're arguing any more. You need shouldn't relog hate ever, period. This is because it won't do anything. That's all I've said.

[Argettio]

What...? I don't even know what you're arguing any more. You need shouldn't relog hate ever, period. This is because it won't do anything. That's all I've said.

I have no idea what he is saying any more, but he seems to have moved to personal attacks to try and fight his way out of the corner he has backed himself into.

Based on the trolling handbook we should see the real life card coming out soon.

[Eole]

You have to use sushi, whatever your merits. which means you can cap accuracy Np with turban and such.

- ace's > turban
-askar hand > dusk. ( why do people even farm those?)
- A.torque > love torque
- fowling earring
-cuchu > foragers.

If you have no merits and say mithra like me, that puts you at 407 exactly with crab sushi and seigan, even more with squid/sole/hasso. Can adjust depending on race. If you have merits, use a str ring, merman's earring and Justice torque.

While it might (idk) be an good choice for MNK, it is not for SAM.

500ish Average Damage (didn't parse) on Penta Thrust = No Thanks !
I honestly prefer to hit slower than to WS that weak.

Try the setup you say with march + march + haste samba and 2x rolls from COR being a Samurai + Polearm and you'll figure out that Meat is Godsent.

[Shin Volcano]

I have no idea what he is saying any more, but he seems to have moved to personal attacks to try and fight his way out of the corner he has backed himself into.

Based on the trolling handbook we should see the real life card coming out soon.

No, i'm not that said to throw out real life card just because logic and reasoning here has failed once again, you can be sure of that, nor was there any personal attacks, the retarded was based off that old fashioned "omg kill your self" crap that people say when they have no other valid argument.

The questin still remains unawnserd of what do you fight as rng that hate becomes a problem over a large period of time, that you have to "die' to reset your hate. i'm still waiting on that.

[Cairthenn]

The questin still remains unawnserd of what do you fight as rng that hate becomes a problem over a large period of time, that you have to "die' to reset your hate. i'm still waiting on that.

Who said you have to die? Nobody. Seriously, shut up.

[Shin Volcano]

Who said you have to die? Nobody. Seriously, shut up.

Really? did you even read the posts in the page before about this whole damn thing? or did you just see the chance to attack someone and did it, learn to fucking read.


Question still was not awnserd and point has been proved. there is no point with you anymore.

[Cairthenn]

Really? did you even read the posts in the page before about this whole damn thing? or did you just see the chance to attack someone and did it, learn to fucking read.


Question still was not awnserd and point has been proved. there is no point with you anymore.

Then why do I care? The only thing I was addressing is your retardation in saying you should "log hate".

[Shin Volcano]

Then why do I care? The only thing I was addressing is your retardation in saying you should "log hate".

Yea, you're a comeplete dumb ass. i think i am seriously done, 2 pages of this crap for something you didn't even understand in the 1st place, i want my 20 minutes of time i wasted on responding to your nonesense back. seriously, stop posting, unless it is pertaining to something that isn't retarded.

[Cairthenn]

You mad? You're the one posting senseless, retarded shit and I'm sure anyone else here would agree with me.

[Shin Volcano]

You mad? You're the one posting senseless, retarded shit and I'm sure anyone else here would agree with me.

If they were just as dumb as you i'm sure they would, again, you don't know even know what my whole point of this was and yet you are saying i'm posting nonesense, how much more stupid can you make your self look?

[Cairthenn]

If they were just as dumb as you i'm sure they would, again, you don't know even know what my whole point of this was and yet you are saying i'm posting nonesense, how much more stupid can you make your self look?

Well I haven't quite reached the level of Shin Volcano yet, but perhaps I could get there...owait..

[Argettio]

While it might (idk) be an good choice for MNK, it is not for SAM.

500ish Average Damage (didn't parse) on Penta Thrust = No Thanks !
I honestly prefer to hit slower than to WS that weak.

Try the setup you say with march + march + haste samba and 2x rolls from COR being a Samurai + Polearm and you'll figure out that Meat is Godsent.

A decent pole SAM using sushi (with appropriate build) with chaos as the only attack roll/song will be averaging 900-1100 pentas (very roughly)

They will also have 7-10% more haste, which based on standard buffs is a 13-19% increase in WS rate.

So in the time it take you to do 5 WS, a sushi SAM will have done 6... That's like moving from a 6 to 5 hit build! (very roughly).

Based on the the gear swaps suggested you will only have 20-40 more attack than the sushi SAM, 20-40 attack vs ~16% more WS... easy decision.

Meat builds are possible, but 'iffy' at best, as with perfect gear you only reach ~93% acc without sacrificing massive amounts of haste (virtuoso belt in TP)

[Shin Volcano]

Well I haven't quite reached the level of Shin Volcano yet, but perhaps I could get there...owait..

Cool story, are you done? the cookies are on the table.





seriously, shut the fuck up already. ok i'll just do something you can't i'll just stop posting on this matter, you're almost becoming funny in a sad kind of way now.

[clobetasol]

bump;

Mekki Shakki vs. Vulcan's Staff for ranger

[Argettio]

bump;

Mekki Shakki vs. Vulcan's Staff for ranger

If Mekki makes a X hit build then Mekki > Vulcan. If the sTP does nothing then Vulcan > Mekki.

[xerodok]

bump;

Mekki Shakki vs. Vulcan's Staff for ranger

You'll find yourself using Vulcan's more, but if you're lucky enough to have Skadi legs & other items for a 5-hit build, Mekki Shakki will be more useful to you than the RATK bonus would be.

[Cooleko]

VE decays at a fixed rate, nothing changes this, you can be logged in, logged out, you can disconnect from the internet, you can cut your phone lines and none of this will reduce your hate any faster.

So what is the point in logging out? Why not just stand still for a min? Go for a fag or grab a drink? WHY DO YOU HAVE TO LOG OUT?

We will drop it when you explain why logging out is better than afking or just sitting on your hands for an equal length of time.

Maybe im missing something, but I log hate whenever i dont want to kill a mob. For example, Molech sees me, I sleep, I log, He despawns, no hate.

Now, In Dynamis Xarcabard for example. I kill Eye wall, I sleep 2/3 of kindred, I log, Kindred dont despawn, I come back... According to you when i come back i should die? But i dont.

I'm pretty certain I'm playing the same game but maybe melee and blm operate differently?

Edit: I read further above and you mention that the mob has to 'look' for you while logged out, but I have come back to slept mobs and been able to see them wake in my log as well. Which is the point they would come 'look' for me.

[Dooom]

In both instances you were removed from the hate list because the mobs "looked" for you, you weren't there (logged off), and so were removed from their hate list completely. Now, if you log off and the mob *doesn't* look for you, your position on it's "hate list" doesn't change. So for logging off to have any effect, something needs to happen to put you at the top of a mob's hate list e.g. tanks die while you're logged off, mob looks for you, you're not there, hate is erased.

[Seedz]

If he logs off and the mob (let's say DI) manages to score a big hit on the tank, chances are he (the tank) will be pushed down in the hate list, thus making it possible that the mob checks for the logged off RNG, thus completely erasing any and all enmity gathered by him.

However, I don't support the idea of logging off in order to keep things under control. As a dedicated tank, I take pride in doing that myself, without needing others to log off or do dodgy shit. Of course it's not possible the majority of the time, cause any DD worth a damn will pull hate off the best tanks around, but then again, if those DDs are worth anything, they should be able to tank whatever mob for long enough for me to get hate back; myself, I've had to tank DI on SAM/NIN for a while for that very reason, and guess what? It worked fine, with no issues (cept for those hax Tramples I can't dodge for shit that hit for 1k cause I forget to equip PDT and stuff). My point is, DDs are there to do damage and pull hate, and they should know how to survive while your tanks try to get it back. I'm pretty sure a RNG/NIN can tank DI if he happens to pull hate.

Logging off or holding back need to GTFO, imo.