Socialist Agencies Destroying America

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

Alright, read through the entire PDF link in my signature and get back to us.

If you can argue against Libertarianism without bringing up the KKK or some Nagger getting lynched, we'll have made great progress.

There's no point, while I'll admit some concepts of libertarianism seem genuine and in-line with liberal concepts the core idea of small to no federal government in place of self-run communities is a recipe for disaster for those reasons.

You decided to get all pissy and assume I was calling libertarians racist, which I never said, you're welcome to go back and re-read what I've posted. Local governments cannot maintain themselves without the greater reasonings of a large community involvement and evolving federal government.

This has happened past, present, and will in the future of catastrophically violent practices occuring in small unregulated communities making their own rules based on their belief system.

You cannot refute that, and if you do you're lying or throwing away thousands and thousands of anecdotal evidence which severely waters down your case and any credibility you would have.

tl;dr? I never called libertarians the KKK, you either assumed that or pieced it together to appear a victim

[Tagus]

I have a request:

Could you guys rant and rave about Ron Paul for a page or so? I need a few good arguements to bring to the table against my brother-in-law, who keeps trying to get me to read his books, keeps giving me bumper stickers, and won't stop inviting me to gun ranges... when all I really want to be doing is sitting at home playing ffxi without distractions.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

I have a request:

Could you guys rant and rave about Ron Paul for a page or so? I need a few good arguements to bring to the table against my brother-in-law, who keeps trying to get me to read his books, keeps giving me bumper stickers, and won't stop inviting me to gun ranges... when all I really want to be doing is sitting at home playing ffxi without distractions.

Here's the silver bullet to the Ron Paul argument:

Libertarians emphasize personal liberty and freedom.
Ron Paul is against same sex marriage.
Ron Paul is anti-abortion.
This means less choice, personal liberty, freedom.
Ron Paul is not the truth.


Edit: Although fiscally I am a fan of several of his ideas, just not all, like abolishing the Federal Reserve.

[Sirrus_Asura]

tl;dr? I never called libertarians the KKK, you either assumed that or pieced it together to appear a victim

I never said you called the libertarians the KKK, I said you argue against it with instances like the KKK. Please read what *I* say, before you start preaching about how I don't read what *you* say.

This has happened past, present, and will in the future of catastrophically violent practices occurring in small unregulated communities making their own rules based on their belief system.

You cannot refute that, and if you do you're lying or throwing away thousands and thousands of anecdotal evidence which severely waters down your case and any credibility you would have.

Neighborhoods don't collapse and erupt into warfare without the government keeping check on them.


Groups of friends don't ride around with skull shirts slaughtering the innocent without being reminded "That might be a hate crime, and will cost you more time in a court of law."

People don't need a government to tell them murder and theft is wrong. (Look at our crime rate, clearly they do a poor job in doing such as is).

[Sirrus_Asura]

Here's the silver bullet to the Ron Paul argument:

Libertarians emphasize personal liberty and freedom.
Ron Paul is against same sex marriage.
Ron Paul is anti-abortion.
This means less choice, personal liberty, freedom.
Ron Paul is not the truth.


Edit: Although fiscally I am a fan of several of his ideas, just not all, like abolishing the Federal Reserve.

Woh Woh Woh. He has his personal views about it, but he dosen't believe in limiting OTHERS freedom because of it. BIG fucking diference.

[Max™]

That mirror is a bitch and it burns the eyes, but this is why we need a large federal government because people left on their own don't know what the fuck or how to handle it.

You poor dumb bastard.

This is why we need to educate everyone properly, not indoctrinate them in this fairy tale that government is correct or necessary.


Jesus wept.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

You poor dumb bastard.

This is why we need to educate everyone properly, not indoctrinate them in this fairy tale that government is correct or necessary.


Jesus wept.

You poor ignorant bastard, you think people are going to educate pro-bono? No that's governments responsibility. But you know that, so park the grudge is the other thread and try not to shit this one up.

Thanks.

[Max™]

http://famousmonstersoffilmland.com/...the-grudge.jpg

I teach all the time without being paid in anything but satisfaction and the awareness that teaching is the best way to learn. You act like there is value to anything you can possess.

Spoiler: show

Money isn't really worth anything.

Education is everyone's responsibility.

The government doesn't matter. It is an unjust group which goes against the principles it was founded on, and should rightfully be torn down.

If everyone relied on the government for education... well, we'd be dumb as bricks wouldn't we?

OH SHIT WAIT, THAT'S TRUE?

I'm not mad at you btw, sweetheart, you can't help it that you're uneducated. School systems suck. If you were a bit more humble, you'd recognize that I'm trying to teach you right now.

Incidentally: 7,777th post *begins hitting everything rapidly for 7777 dmg*

[Cadsuane]

There's no point, while I'll admit some concepts of libertarianism seem genuine and in-line with liberal concepts the core idea of small to no federal government in place of self-run communities is a recipe for disaster for those reasons.

You decided to get all pissy and assume I was calling libertarians racist, which I never said, you're welcome to go back and re-read what I've posted. Local governments cannot maintain themselves without the greater reasonings of a large community involvement and evolving federal government.

This has happened past, present, and will in the future of catastrophically violent practices occuring in small unregulated communities making their own rules based on their belief system.

You cannot refute that, and if you do you're lying or throwing away thousands and thousands of anecdotal evidence which severely waters down your case and any credibility you would have.

tl;dr? I never called libertarians the KKK, you either assumed that or pieced it together to appear a victim

Mostly I just think you're being a little intellectually dishonest to easier lambast an ideology you don't like. Not that you're strictly wrong in your assessment of autonomous libertarian communities, but saying that these communities are condusive to KKK-like organizations, although it may be true, doesn't really work as an attack against libertarians when most libertarians really don't advocate racism or the kind of personal freedom that allows you to act on racist ideas. Depending on the flavour of libertarianism it doesn't even advocate municipal autonomy.

When the coversation is about say, the evils/necessity of social welfare, this line of argument is just a cheap way of crassly caricaturing the entire right as something that only its most insane and hardline proponents actually embody, which is something I'd expect more from a frothy mouthed conservative like Lief. Learn how to debate without cheap rhetorical tricks like this.

[Sirrus_Asura]

You poor ignorant bastard, you think people are going to educate pro-bono?

BING, Gotcha bitch.

Ok, the sheer fact that we have a public education system demonstrates the fact that the majority of people in this country value education and want to contribute to it and believe in providing it to everyone at a reasonable price / semi-free (Since its ran from taxes).


Anarchy or Libertarianism would not change this.

[Cantih]

Not surprisingly, all those people are generally found on the left of the political expression

If Nazis and Fascists are on the left, your political spectrum may be a BIT miscalibrated.

[Cadsuane]

If Nazis and Fascists are on the left, your political spectrum may be a BIT miscalibrated.

Everything that's bad is on the left obviously. Not revisionist history at all.

[Max™]

Mine is, but mostly because I never paid attention...

I thought the left and the right were all spouting insane shit anyways, but I guess it is just the cognitive dissonance of calling conservative republicans "the right" that makes it hard to do.

[Sirrus_Asura]

Communists to the left of me, Fascists to right?

[Cantih]

Communists to the left of me, Fascists to right?

Correct, if you are a centrist.
In order for nazis to be on Leif's left, he'd have to be WAY right of them.

[Tagus]

Here's the silver bullet to the Ron Paul argument:

Libertarians emphasize personal liberty and freedom.
Ron Paul is against same sex marriage.
Ron Paul is anti-abortion.
This means less choice, personal liberty, freedom.
Ron Paul is not the truth.


Edit: Although fiscally I am a fan of several of his ideas, just not all, like abolishing the Federal Reserve.

Thank you, kind sir. I feel no shame in admitting that my political views are a complex regurgitation of other's thoughts and ideas, focused entirely on maliciously attacking the views of people who start politically enflamed conversations with me.

It drives me crazy when people bring up politics in real life at bbq's and shit. They always have an idea of how the conversation should go before it happens, as if they've spent all week thinking about how they're going to work gun control into your inevitably normal conversation about football or music. They dance around with your brain trying to get you where they want you to be in your thought processes like a 15 year old boy fumbling with a bra strap for the first time. Guaranteed, my bro-in-law is imagining talking to me about Ron Paul right now.

Fucking Ron Paul. I need to know every God damn thing that man has done wrong in his life by Sunday so I can fuck somebody's world up. I want this bbq to end in flames. No more evasion or passive agreements designed to avoid an arguement.

I need moar fuel.

[Sirrus_Asura]

Correct, if you are a centrist.
In order for nazis to be on Leif's left, he'd have to be WAY right of them.

I'm an Anarchist, where does that put me?

[wipers]

Anarchy is a form of nihilism.

[Max™]

Which is dreadfully amusing in itself.

Which I suppose is his point, as the most unsubtle, yet still most subtle troll ever.

He is in a superposition of states, left and right simultaneously!

I'm not on the political spectrum, I think you're all crazy fuckers who need a better education in the hard facts of reality, rather than the deluded insanity of modern life.


Anarchy is political nihilism, it is not nihilism itself.

Anarchists envision a society in which people just stay out of each others way, work together for the betterment of their species, and stop fighting over stupid made up shit like government or religion.


Until we ban organized religion though, government will be hard to take down, and people will keep killing each other OVER GODDAMN FUCKING CRAZY IDEAS!


brb, shooting someone for not believing in SANTA CLAUS!

[Sirrus_Asura]

Which is dreadfully amusing in itself.

Which I suppose is his point, as the most unsubtle, yet still most subtle troll ever.

He is in a superposition of states, left and right simultaneously!

I'm not on the political spectrum, I think you're all crazy fuckers who need a better education in the hard facts of reality, rather than the deluded insanity of modern life.

BBBBBUTTTT, IF YOUR NOT LEFT OR RIGHT, WHERE ARE YOU?!