White Collar

**Boyiee** · 2010-07-13 17:51

Worst night for it to be on, it's like they want to see if it's worth a full season or a 3rd. Competing with MLB all star game, fuck. I really hope that it doesn't cost this amazing show any ratings.

**Olo401** · 2010-07-13 19:06

I'm dyin' here.. not only the All Star Game, but also the Capn Phil goodbye episode. AAArgh so many good choices..

I'll catch this on the midnight replay..

**Ryko** · 2010-07-13 20:08

Here we go go goooooooooooo

**Ryko** · 2010-07-13 20:32

lol at purposely striking out

**Suit and Tie** · 2010-07-14 11:50

Can someone remind me about the music box?

Who found it?
What happened to it after that? / How did it get into FBI possession?

Also, Kate was secretly working with Fowler or something? (God my memory with this show blows for some reason)

**BerenTebogo** · 2010-07-14 12:14

Horrible writing.

Entire seasons should be a back and forth with a villain as amusing as "the architect" instead of chasing some rancid cuntbag and a half-assed love story.

They wasted the best plotline the show has ever had in one episode. I am disappoint.

**Ryko** · 2010-07-14 12:38

This season is starting off decently strong. I think the best part of the show is actually just Mozzie.

**Thunder** · 2010-07-14 12:50

Originally Posted by SathFenrir

Horrible writing.

Entire seasons should be a back and forth with a villain as amusing as "the architect" instead of chasing some rancid cuntbag and a half-assed love story.

They wasted the best plotline the show has ever had in one episode. I am disappoint.

Never understood why season 1 was all about kate when she only appeared like three times and then dies at the end. Liked the architect as a villain way more than Fowler, too.

And also, what the fuck is with this music box everyone is after? Why are people dying and killing over it the whole season when in each episode people forge/steal enough shit that could dwarf the music box. Am I missing something? Is it just that expensive? Is there something of extreme value in it we just don't know about yet?

**Boyiee** · 2010-07-14 12:53

Originally Posted by Thunder

Is there something of extreme value in it we just don't know about yet?

It's important to someone, and that someone was controlling fowler. We don't know why he wanted it or anything, and now it's missing. Also, it is an item of extreme value by itself.

**Thunder** · 2010-07-14 13:13

It isn't missing, the lesbian probie for Peter has it at the moment.

Of course it's of extreme value and someone wants it, but it's a little insignificant compared to everything that was done in the previous episodes, imo.

Could have had something a little more epic than Neil doing all that he's doing for a women he loves that we pretty much know nothing about besides that she's at least a little good with codes/lying because she's only been in a few episodes. It's all subjective but I can't be the only one who thinks this way

**Boyiee** · 2010-07-14 13:23

Originally Posted by Thunder

It isn't missing, the lesbian probie for Peter has it at the moment.

Technically it's missing from evidence locker and was replaced with another box, and as far as Neil knows it's missing. But yeah the black girl Diana has it.

Think there is supposed to be some action between this black probie (Diana) and neil this season.

**Saga** · 2010-07-15 22:23

Originally Posted by SathFenrir

Horrible writing.

Entire seasons should be a back and forth with a villain as amusing as "the architect" instead of chasing some rancid cuntbag and a half-assed love story.

They wasted the best plotline the show has ever had in one episode. I am disappoint.

Yeah? You're just floored by the antagonist in this episode? Awesome.

They had an interesting name and decent backstory to go along with it, but they never really delivered throughout the episode enough substance to really stretch this into a multi-episode conflict. How many other bank robberies by the same person would you really like to have seen? Maybe he'll co-conspire with a bank owner again! So far, Govat has been my favorite antagonist.

Also, Fowler vs. Neal/Burke was the best plotline the show had, not this random asshole.

**Boyiee** · 2010-07-15 22:35

Govat being the wine bottle episode? I really really liked that one.

**Chun Liroy** · 2010-07-15 22:51

**Saga** · 2010-07-15 22:57

Originally Posted by Boyiee

Govat being the wine bottle episode? I really really liked that one.

The wine bottle one was good but Ghovat (had to check the spelling, there's that stupid silent 'h' in there) was in this episode: http://whitecollar.wikia.com/wiki/Threads

Second episode of the show, with fashion week and the fancy shmancy rooftop party.

**Boyiee** · 2010-07-15 22:59

Yeah thats from a while ago, forgot about it. Wine bottle auction still tops it for me.

**Thunder** · 2010-07-15 23:34

About E.W. not being able to be the multi-episode conflict.. Neil said he robbed banks for the adrenaline, not the money. He could have done anything to antagonize Neil and Peter. I don't think it'd be hard to make it as exciting as Fowler's stuff, a lot could have been done.

I'm not exactly complaining about the plot stories.. but I am complaining about how little I know about kate/music box when they've been the center of the entire show. Hopefully there'll be more about the music box and Kate. At least for my sake lol

**Cleverness** · 2010-07-16 00:18

Originally Posted by Silentleroy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0WNJx7Ys2Y

I saw this while watching Burn Notice a few minutes ago and laughed. I enjoy the character meetups like Sam tricking Divya into drinking with him.

There's been hardly ANY background on the music box at all, main reason why I was hoping it'd get dropped from the story after the first season ended. But with the straight black chick having it, it's most definitely gonna show up again(along with Kate probably still being alive). Whatever happened to the lesbian one anyway? Didn't see her around.

And while the Architect was an awesome villain, there have been several in the show. If it wasn't for the lawsuit thing they could have really drew this out into a 2 part episode cause Tim Matheson can play a really awesome villain, kind of a waste to only use him for 1 episode.

**Boyiee** · 2010-07-16 00:46

They dropped her from the show it seems. She's not even in the character list for s2. I like this girl better anyway, shes definitely cuter and I'm usually not into black chicks. Wish they didn't already start hinting at the love interest forming between her and neil.

Obviously they are going to use the music box and some big plot item, maybe with some hidden secret like in Uncharted2. I like the fact that everyone is in the dark about it, including neil.

Also thinking kates alive btw. When they were advertising s2 I think they showed her, but idk if it was a past scene or not... most other shit seemed like non-past scenes... but then it would ruin the entire ending of s1 which i really liked. Fuck kate, shes not as hot as some of the other chicks in the show lol.

**Cleverness** · 2010-07-16 01:44

I feel no real attachment for Kate honestly. She's been on screen for maybe at most 10 minutes total the entire first season, aside from Neil wanting to get back with her we don't ever see the show cut to her often to see what she's thinking, doing, nothing. I dunno how they expect people to care about her, I mean she's hot but there's at least 2 hot chicks + Tiffany Thiessen in almost every episode, I quickly forget she exists at that point.

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