Gimp/confused/WTF Player XV: Nobody cares about your campaign gimps

[Wolfknight]

Yes, but chances are, the 1% haste will do more.

if you have atleaste double marchs and hasso or haste[should a lot of the time but not all by anyways means] and high acc%; otherwise pretty good chance askar is even or better.

[BadKarma]

Why the fuck are you people defending Inga? All of Anthonystar's points are correct, and the guy has a history of posting gimps that aren't really gimp(though that one is awful).

I defend noone. I just thought he seemed butthurt.

1% haste huh? Hmm, so if 1% haste is that big of an important thing....


Picking up a blitz ring will be better than using an acc ring? Since you know, 1% haste makes THAT big of a difference? Turban is 5% haste, but if -1% haste is such a cardinal sin...why does Askar Head exist? Or Even Ace's Helm, which iirc is 4% haste? >.> Askar Head isn't such a horrible choice when there could be much much worse worn, so if losing 1% haste is that huge of a deal....

Epic. Fucking. Fail.

[requim]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the following were the rough (rounded) increases from haste

24%=>25% = 1.8% (hasso+basic haidate-less gear)
39%=>40% = 2.8% (+spell)
55%=>56% = 5% (+haidate+1xmarch)
64%=>65% = 8% (+2xmarch)

If you're not buffed (soloing I guess) askar pulls ahead

With haste they're basically even with dex either helping cap your acc or if acc is easily capped your dDex might matter, and then an fstr covering the rest. It's under a 1% expected difference.

Once you get marches and are more seriously buffed is where askar falls behind, no? Ace's is far more competitive with 7 acc and an fstr competing for that 1% haste difference, but iirc don't you still go with turban once you have SV?

[Dio2]

SV and fully buffed you wanna use Turban

[FailureMidgard]

Hi, welcome to BG. The topic of W.Turban vs Ace's has come up probably 100+ times now, I'd say it comes up on average 2 times per week, but this is just me eyeballing it.

If you are uncapped accuracy, Ace's wins. Which brings us to the next point.
Why the fuck are you uncapped accuracy? Pizza costs a whole 2-2.5k per 3 hours. If you're not on birds, you should be using Pizza. This whole "sushi vs meat" bullshit is 3 years old. Meat brings almost nothing to the table unless you're popping red curry. Use some fucking pizza, cap your fucking accuracy, and throw your Ace's helm in storage.

If you ignore food and every other piece of gear available to you, Ace's wins. However, in a vast majority of situations (and gear levels), Ace's is -not- worth using over a Turban because you can easily gain the accuracy elsewhere where you lose no haste.

[Edit: Ignore Wolfknight, W.Turban killed his mother when he was 2 years old, so he has had a vendetta against it ever since. Furthermore, ignore anyone's math that doesn't account for Pizza+Turban vs Ace's+Meat, because you're fucking stupid, cheap, or lazy if you're popping coeurl subs at 90% accuracy, even for a 30min event like Einherjar. And really, I don't mind if someone wants to be stupid, cheap, and lazy even. BUT STOP FUCKING SAYING YOU ARE DOING IT RIGHT.]

[Kipling]

Wow, posts like that make me hot. <3

[Olo401]

So umm.. would wolfknight's mother be wolfmother? Just curious..

[BadKarma]

So umm.. would wolfknight's mother be wolfmother? Just curious..

Nah son nah.

[Hyriu]

Anthonystar can have my babies, Thorny can raise them.

At least they'll know what to wear!

[Wolfknight]

[Edit: Ignore Wolfknight, W.Turban killed his mother when he was 2 years old, so he has had a vendetta against it ever since. Furthermore, ignore anyone's math that doesn't account for Pizza+Turban vs Ace's+Meat, because you're fucking stupid, cheap, or lazy if you're popping coeurl subs at 90% accuracy, even for a 30min event like Einherjar. And really, I don't mind if someone wants to be stupid, cheap, and lazy even. BUT STOP FUCKING SAYING YOU ARE DOING IT RIGHT.]

someone has to play devil's advocate on it, or you guys would just ignore it and tell people haste even 1% is always better no matter what buffs, food, other gear, mob, or etc. And yes if pizza then you should have capped acc on most things thus turban wins, but I disagree about it being gil efficient it is if the event last near that long and that dying is rare or you never die in, it's very worth while. But shorter events it's spending 3~4x gil for food, 1 piece of a stack vs 1 pizza[it's normally 4k here] seems wasteful to me. So I admit probably being cheap or/and lazy, that I am not going to use that kinda of food for 30 minute events. If I had nothing important gear wise to save gil up for or if they made it a freaking stacked food, I would use pizza everywhere and use turban with it; however this isn't the case. So I don't use it everywhere, thus askar, ace's and such have there uses. And Also Sushi and use full haste only really would apply to sam since other jobs' ws tend to benefit a lot more from attack than sam, and sushi can't make up for lacking in ws damage most of the time.

[FailureMidgard]

if you have atleaste double marchs and hasso or haste[should a lot of the time but not all by anyways means] and high acc%; otherwise pretty good chance askar is even or better.

someone has to play devil's advocate on it, or you guys would just ignore it and tell people haste even 1% is always better no matter what buffs, food, other gear, mob, or etc. And yes if pizza then you should have capped acc on most things thus turban wins, but I disagree about it being gil efficient it is if the event last near that long and that dying is rare or you never die in, it's very worth while. But shorter events it's spending 3~4x gil for food, 1 piece of a stack vs 1 pizza[it's normally 4k here] seems wasteful to me. So I admit probably being cheap or/and lazy, that I am not going to use that kinda of food for 30 minute events. If I had nothing important gear wise to save gil up for or if they made it a freaking stacked food, I would use pizza everywhere and use turban with it; however this isn't the case. So I don't use it everywhere, thus askar, ace's and such have there uses. And Also Sushi and use full haste only really would apply to sam since other jobs' ws tend to benefit a lot more from attack than sam, and sushi can't make up for lacking in ws damage most of the time.

I'm sorry, but your first post doesn't come off as playing devil's advocate. You are saying askar is better any time you don't have a bard. Really, you should always have a bard, and past that, you didn't even mention anything about not using pizza, just that Askar is better.

Also, a lot of people pay for Ace's helms, waste countless hours camping/trying to get it, kill it multiple times for drops/etc. I'm sorry, it is NOT more efficient than just using Pizza. Past that, Pizza is 1.5k more, which is really not much. If your argument is you don't want to spend 1.5k more for a dmg increase, why the fuck are you using food to begin with? I think you're still in the wrong using meat. No food if you really can't spend gil, or use a pizza if you can. For Ein, do you really do Ein, then just log for the night? You can easily go do ISNM after, or merit after, or whatever, and make use of your food. And really, you only need a ~1-1.5 hr event for it to be more efficient than Yellow Buns.

And again, I don't give a shit if someone really wants to be cheap/lazy, BUT SAY THAT IS THE REASON. Don't say Askar is better, say "If you want to be a cheap/lazy fucker, then Ace's can beat Turban, and Askar can tie it, but if you're willing to use Pizza, the 1% haste wins out".

There are 2 important facts that you seriously need to at the very least acknowledge if you want to make an argument against them. Yes, if you want to be a cheapass and not use pizza, Ace's can win. But like I said, don't just not mention the first part when you are giving advice to people, as you love to do. Maybe you even know what you meant and why you use Ace's, but be fucking honest, especially when others are asking what is better, and tell them the reasoning.
1. Melee thrives on having support (marchx2+haste). No other DD in the game can get anywhere near this amount of bonus damage. Cor rolls for black mages are shit comparatively, attack buffs for rangers and cor rolls for summoners are the same. Melee has the highest damage potential, in general, due to the existence of haste and the buffs you can get to it. If you don't have this for your melee, you should seriously reconsider your methods of killing, as other damage types have other benefits (less TP fed, less risk of aoe damage, ability to do large portions of damage, then sleep, etc). Also, 2xmarch>march+minuet for all DD.
2. Pizza lets most melee accuracy cap with reasonable gear, while maxing haste on their gear. This is the highest damage potential, because haste scaling is amazing.

[Eleven19]

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...025_214058.png

Get outta here. That's full fucking God Gear.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...025_215550.png

Maybe he's pretending he's a http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/ff...ra_Samurai.gif

Edit: Holy fuck i think my browser fucked up or something. I didn't see there were 2 other pages lmao.

[Redivider]

haha the picture of that hydra samurai added to the epicness of that response

[Vlorsutes]

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/q...es/gimp7-1.jpg

Saw this when my party was gathering for a merit party out at Greater Colibri. Fulltimed this, and understandably his weaponskills were very subpar.

[S N K]

I guess I merited THF wrong.

The fuck is he thinking of with this one? lol

[Cream Soda]

While I agree Pizza is awesome, I can't seem to agree w/ using it at 90% hitrate, unless I misunderstood your earlier point.

[requim]

Most of the time when you're hitting near capped accuracy, you're probably wearing accuracy gear.

Switching from pcc and acc ring to chiv and even a ruby with pizza can beat out meat. Can even end up in situations where askar body has its use.

If you're hitting capped accuracy without gear chances are nobody gives a fuck what you're doing on that weak of mobs.

[Akairyu]

And continuing the list of oddly equipped DRGs in this thread, I bring you this:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3..._NyzulIsle.png

Grand Knight Lance and no Grip, Minuet Earring, Warwolf Belt, Fourth Division head/hands. I missed what the feet were but i didn't recognize them in any case. All fulltimed.

Sold gear for that Forager's Mantle maybe? and if so, priorities wru?

[requim]

Looks like the level 38 +4 jump accuracy shoes, or could be the gaval set.

[mdkuser]

While I agree Pizza is awesome, I can't seem to agree w/ using it at 90% hitrate, unless I misunderstood your earlier point.

eat pizza and remove accuracy on neck ear rings back .