Introducing the Add-on Trilogy Bonus Gift! (11/02/2009)

[Deader2818]

THF knife NM is in the temple no?

and you can warp to Jorm.

[Nermie]

THF knife NM is in the temple no?

Sirocco Kukri?

[Shenrien]

yay, I'm glad I got the third mini expansion now

[Spider-Dan]

I'm not sure why people are so certain that this will count as zoning for Regain Feather. As previously stated, Teleport-crag does not count as a zone change when you are in that zone to begin with (mob will turn and head for your new location).

[Red Demon Taoist]

Astounding. SE gives people something for free, that they didn't expect to get and offered it as a nice surprise, and people still bitch and moan about how desperate they are and how horrible FFXI is, etc. Honestly, if you hate the game so much and everything dissatisfies you, fuck off already and go play WoW.

Oh, Alexander's favorite narcissist... How's the KaibelfCult doing these days?

Welcome to the Final Fantasy XI community, where people complain about stuff.

I have 1 add on. To get the cape I'd have to buy 2 more. Buying stuff does not equal free.

Also, 2004 called, and they want their WoW card back.

One more thing. There's a big difference between criticizing FFXI (greatness) and criticizing SE (biggest dev douchebags in history).

[Deader2818]

Sorry, when I hear "THF knife" I think

Thief's Knife - FFXIclopedia, the Final Fantasy XI wiki - Characters, items, jobs, and more

[Kaibelf]

It's not free, you have to buy the three add-ons or the ultimate collection.

This is really meh and I don't think it'll convince anyone to buy all three add-ons if they haven't already decided to do so.

EDIT: The new item system better be fucking amazing, otherwise this update's pretty shitty.

Nonsense. You buy the add-ons for their reward gear. The cape has nothing to do with it, and no one's forcing you to do anything. As for the update, SMNs got a very decent bump, RNGs shouldn't complain too much, and from what we've seen, the item system might be rather large. Just how much is enough for you people?

[Kaibelf]

Oh, Alexander's favorite narcissist... How's the KaibelfCult doing these days?

Welcome to the Final Fantasy XI community, where people complain about stuff.

I have 1 add on. To get the cape I'd have to buy 2 more. Buying stuff does not equal free.

Also, 2004 called, and they want their WoW card back.

One more thing. There's a big difference between criticizing FFXI (greatness) and criticizing SE (biggest dev douchebags in history).

1. If I went around preaching about how great I am, that would make me a narcissist. I don't do that, and keep a very low profile. If you're referring to KaibelfCorps, a linkshell that was created WAY back in the day (2003), and which was dissembled years ago (2006), then you're the one in the time warp. Catch up, and spare us all the lame personal attacks with zero substance. Take the useless bitching to AD.

2. The "WoW card" is just as valid today as it ever was. What's the point in whining incessantly about a game and the way it's run when you fail to provide a superior alternative, or a suggestion or solution? It's very easy to whine about others' work but a lot harder to do some of your own. You act like FFXI is the only game in town, and that somehow you're compelled to pay for it. Nah, you'd prefer to just complain complain complain, like a little bitch. And anonymously, at that. Pathetic.

[Draylo]

Whoosh?...

I dont know if you are a bigger idiot here or not, im not feeling great so im not gonna straight out accuse you because i might have missed something, but im pretty sure the mule wont need a cape, just his main character, who i would assume is level 30+.

Mule would have to travel to the areas though, it says you had to have been to the areas before you can teleport there. So it would be too much work to get a mule all the way to a area like ullegrand range on a 10 day trial but I guess people would like spending the hours to get there lol.

[Spekkio]

I'm not sure why people are so certain that this will count as zoning for Regain Feather. As previously stated, Teleport-crag does not count as a zone change when you are in that zone to begin with (mob will turn and head for your new location).

teleportation does constitute zoning but due to the way mob hate functions, it does not necessarily purge hate from the player. test 21C from Kaeko's enmity testing shows this.
Kanican - Enmity Testing (Part VII)
my hypothesis is that this is because the data for enmity is stored on the mob while the player is the one doing the zoning. zoning seems to reset several variables including bard songs, light/dark arts and i think afflatus solace/misery. teleporting, even to the same zone, will reset these values (I THINK). the question then begs how the data for the mimeo stone is stored. will an intra-zone port break the rock or not? until this cape is released i don't think we can answer that question, though if i had to wager a guess, i'd bet yes.

[Aemora]

And if it didn't before, SE are going to read this thread and make sure you cannot obtain the Regain Feather when using this item now that you guys have totally exposed an exploit in the game mechanics.

[SephYuyX]

Awesome, cant wait for mine.

[Spider-Dan]

teleportation does constitute zoning but due to the way mob hate functions, it does not necessarily purge hate from the player. test 21C from Kaeko's enmity testing shows this.
Kanican - Enmity Testing (Part VII)

His test does not show that teleports constitute zoning. In fact, if you did zone, you should be removed from the hate list; if you're on the top of a mob's hate list and you zone, you are removed from the list.

[Spekkio]

His test does not show that teleports constitute zoning. In fact, if you did zone, you should be removed from the hate list; if you're on the top of a mob's hate list and you zone, you are removed from the list.

his test doesn't show it. the fact that your on zone buffs clear (i'm 95% certain, i'll double check later) confirm that. that's the point i was making. i would have thought if it constituted a zone it SHOULD clear the player off the hate list if the player is at the top. my only guess is that the moment the player leaves the zone they re-enter never giving the mob a chance to not lock on to the player and as such never having a chance to dump them as an invalid entry in the hate list. think like how you can recast invisible in front of a mob without them detecting you. in the same stroke you destroy the invisible, you re-create it resulting in no finite interval of time in which you are not invisible and as such, no chance for the mob to detect. i'm not saying you're wrong, i'm just saying that we can't determine if you are right or wrong at this point in time.

tbh, i hope you are right! ever since ANNMs have made divine sap and (i think) cursed beverages drop, getting a cursed item for a libation abjuration went from "yeah. sure." to "i wouldn't use it every day, but that would be a nice thing to keep in my toolkit for an emergency." this feather may represent another example of that via the advent of the cape. with the 40 hr cooldown, you could at best get 1 for just under every 2 days that goes by still making it a scarce good.

[jimbobsonofgod]

How will this work for training mobs across a zone. Have the party leader in a safe place have someone go aggro NM, then port to party leader? Will the port cause the mob to lose interest, will you not be able to use cape if you are on a mobs hate list, or is the NM gonna come barreling across a zone to the party?

[Red Demon Taoist]

1. If I went around preaching about how great I am, that would make me a narcissist. I don't do that, and keep a very low profile. If you're referring to KaibelfCorps, a linkshell that was created WAY back in the day (2003), and which was dissembled years ago (2006), then you're the one in the time warp. Catch up, and spare us all the lame personal attacks with zero substance. Take the useless bitching to AD.

2. The "WoW card" is just as valid today as it ever was. What's the point in whining incessantly about a game and the way it's run when you fail to provide a superior alternative, or a suggestion or solution? It's very easy to whine about others' work but a lot harder to do some of your own. You act like FFXI is the only game in town, and that somehow you're compelled to pay for it. Nah, you'd prefer to just complain complain complain, like a little bitch. And anonymously, at that. Pathetic.

Excuse me, Kaibelf, glorious leader of Alexander's notorious former cult.

Just because you've dismissed my complaints as insubstantial, doesn't mean they are. I'm not one of your cultists. You can't enforce your standards of living or gameplay on me.

I'm guessing the amount of people who HAVEN'T tried WoW in this forum is minimal. That's why the WoW card is irrelevant. Most FFXIers just plain don't care if other players play or have played WoW anymore. PC gamers try renowned PC games. How exactly does that make them inferior?

As it happens, I like FFXI better than WoW, so I play it.

As a paying subscriber, I have the right to voice my discontent with SE's latest methods of churning out poorly designed, single quest lines, and adding a price tag 100x their worth. I think it's unethical, and I have a right to my opinion.

Your freak show disbanded in 2006, so drop the condescending, self righteous, egomaniacal bullshit.

[Xno Kappa]

Get the fuck out of here with your psuedo-linkshell, FFXI vs. WoW, bullshit drama.

One valid complaint I can see from this item is giving an advantage to those who spent $30 to claim Tiamat and such. Not so much as even claiming but more in gathering everyone.

[Virtuous Saint]

teleportation does constitute zoning but due to the way mob hate functions, it does not necessarily purge hate from the player. test 21C from Kaeko's enmity testing shows this.
Kanican - Enmity Testing (Part VII)
my hypothesis is that this is because the data for enmity is stored on the mob while the player is the one doing the zoning. zoning seems to reset several variables including bard songs, light/dark arts and i think afflatus solace/misery. teleporting, even to the same zone, will reset these values (I THINK). the question then begs how the data for the mimeo stone is stored. will an intra-zone port break the rock or not? until this cape is released i don't think we can answer that question, though if i had to wager a guess, i'd bet yes.

ya but tractor doesn't work and it is the same zone (for stone quest thing).

[Corrderio]

Meh, Inventory -1 to me most of the time.

And if it didn't before, SE are going to read this thread and make sure you cannot obtain the Regain Feather when using this item now that you guys have totally exposed an exploit in the game mechanics.

Don't you lose the stones when you zone anyway? And you know this cape will give you that "Downloading Data" message.

[Spekkio]

ya but tractor doesn't work and it is the same zone (for stone quest thing).

tractor does not work as the stone is destroyed upon death i believe, not upon zoning, and being dead is a prerequisite for tractor, obviously.