Introducing the Add-on Trilogy Bonus Gift! (11/02/2009)

[Kaylia]

It was meant to keep people safe and almost force them. I do not think they made all that much money off the token. WOW asked like 6-7 right? and that is with tons more people buying them. SE prob could not get them for as cheap with only say 300,000 buyers vs 20mil or whatever nuts number wow had.

Poor SquareEnix.

edit: Stop being so fucking full of yourself, what you think is good others do not. Your word is not gods word. Shut up and let others have fun, hell you have even less meaning then the gimps we post on this forum. At least they still play. I fact I would take their word on whats good over yours just because of that fact.

The experience I acquired after spending 7 years in the game is nullified the moment I quit? Nice logic here.

Why are you still browsing FFXI related threads and offer your "opinion" on FFXI related stuff if you no longer play? o.O

Because I have a ton of friends in game, and would like to come back eventually to finish the story if SE stop shitting on us? Because it's fun to watch a train wreck? Because after spending 7 years in this game, I'm curious to see what it's becomming? It's like wondering wtf your ex is doing.

Why do you think it's strange to browse FFXI related thread when you no longer play?

$20.

For $20 you can barely get a nice meal at decent restaurants, in terms of gaming, for $20 you don't even get a new game..you have to wait months to a year to get a new game for that price and with the Ultimate Collection, you get:

FFXI - Which costs us who played since 2002 around $50 (even more if you imported)
Zilart - Which again, those of us who played since 2002 had to buy this separately in 2003 which was another $20+

CoP - Which was around $40

ToAU - Which was up to $50

WoTG - Which was up to $40

Add-ons - $30

Security Token - $10

...but for the Ultimate Collection..you get everything except the security token for $20. Can you justify how $20 is "too much"? Or a waste of money? You have to be severely jaded to think paying $20 is a lot less worthwhile than paying $245+(excluding monthly fees) for the same items.

First of all, I'm not particularly rich. I'm still studying, and most of my expense come directly from my loan. I don't spend 20$ on a meal, unless courtesy force me to go eat it somewhere.

Either way, I'm not arguing that 20$ is a lot of money, it's not for most people. I'm arguing that for 20$ in the gaming industry, you will be getting a lot more contents for your money.

People who cared for their accounts would and I'm pretty sure the majority of people would have gotten the token that cared for their accounts since does extra security REALLY hurt? No it doesn't. Is it needed? No, but since you want to compared it to the H1N1 vaccine, do you NEED the swine flu vaccine? No you don't, but if you get it does it help? You bet your ass it would help.

It's a minority of people who get hacked. They are loud and post on forum when it happens, but it's still not common. You're probably looking at 1% of population. On this, there is a good chunk who mistrusted people with account info or had no security on their PC. In the event you get hacked, SE should be able to fix your account now. What is the risk we are talking about in the end? There is one, but people make it sound much worse than it is? So yes, it's safer, but was it really unsafe before?


I compared it to the vaccine because people consider the worst case scenario without calculating any risks involved.

[Kaslo]

The experience I acquired after spending 7 years in the game is nullified the moment I quit? Nice logic here.

No your experience was nullified when you quit and still continue to QQ like a bitch over a FUCKING GAME.

[dejet]

Poor SquareEnix.




The experience I acquired after spending 7 years in the game is nullified the moment I quit? Nice logic here.



Because I have a ton of friends in game, and would like to come back eventually to finish the story if SE stop shitting on us? Because it's fun to watch a train wreck? Because after spending 7 years in this game, I'm curious to see what it's becomming? It's like wondering wtf your ex is doing.

Why do you think it's strange to browse FFXI related thread when you no longer play?




First of all, I'm not particularly rich. I'm still studying, and most of my expense come directly from my loan. I don't spend 20$ on a meal, unless courtesy force me to go eat it somewhere.

Either way, I'm not arguing that 20$ is a lot of money, it's not for most people. I'm arguing that for 20$ in the gaming industry, you will be getting a lot more contents for your money.




It's a minority of people who get hacked. They are loud and post on forum when it happens, but it's still not common. You're probably looking at 1% of population. On this, there is a good chunk who mistrusted people with account info or had no security on their PC. In the event you get hacked, SE should be able to fix your account now. What is the risk we are talking about in the end? There is one, but people make it sound much worse than it is? So yes, it's safer, but was it really unsafe before?


I compared it to the vaccine because people consider the worst case scenario without calculating any risks involved.

yes to all. now go.

when I can log into 5 linkshells over my time and have been told by over 10 people I play with that they got hacked its a big deal. Idc if their own doing or them not being safe on the net. It still stands its not rare. In fact I got a 75 rdm just about free when someone got hacked. He rolled it back but lost a ton of shit including most the the CoP quests he did up to sea. He said screw it and gave it to me for like 5 HQ staffs.

next we move onto you have quit. What you say now has no merit to what SE should do. Players who PAY them have a say. So their words(gimps who pay) have more say then you do, no matter how long you have played in the past. Logic for ya bud.

I quit the game and did keep on posting, I am back now that school has cooled down a bit. When I was not playing I did keep an eye on the forums, mostly the fishing ones but ya I did.

[Kaylia]

No your experience was nullified when you quit and still continue to QQ like a bitch over a FUCKING GAME.

Oh, thanks for clarifying it. It makes much more sense now.

It's hilarious to see what some of you would do to get pounded in the ass by SE. The almighty SE can do no wrong.

[Kaylia]

when I can log into 5 linkshells over my time and have been told by over 10 people I play with that they got hacked its a big deal. Idc if their own doing or them not being safe on the net. It still stands its not rare. In fact I got a 75 rdm just about free when someone got hacked. He rolled it back but lost a ton of shit including most the the CoP quests he did up to sea. He said screw it and gave it to me for like 5 HQ staffs.

next we move onto you have quit. What you say now has no merit to what SE should do. Players who PAY them have a say. So their words(gimps who pay) have more say then you do, no matter how long you have played in the past. Logic for ya bud.

I quit the game and did keep on posting, I am back now that school has cooled down a bit. When I was not playing I did keep an eye on the forums, mostly the fishing ones but ya I did.

So, I logged in on my 10 linkshells, and 20 peoples told me they were hacked. One of them got roll backed so far his pentatrust give him back 60tp.


I gave SquareEnix over 1k over the years, and would be willing to give them more if they changed. Yes, I do have something to say as a customer. Beside, what I'm saying now and what I was saying before I quit didn't change. I don't follow your logic here.


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Using your logic, Squareenix shouldnt ask people why they are quitting the game, since they are not customer anymore? The whole idea behind a mmo is to keep people online for as long as you can..so yes, SE should listen to angry players who leave just as much, if not more, than their current playerbase.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

SE should listen to players leaving the game, and you should keep your rubbernecking inside the car.

But we all know neither are going to start happening.

[Kerberoz]

Oh, thanks for clarifying it. It makes much more sense now.

It's hilarious to see what some of you would do to get pounded in the ass by SE. The almighty SE can do no wrong.

Sums up those who still takes XI seriously + everyone planning on playing XIV. How much anal rape does it take to break a fanboy?

[dejet]

So, I logged in on my 10 linkshells, and 20 peoples told me they were hacked. One of them got roll backed so far his pentatrust give him back 60tp.


I gave SquareEnix over 1k over the years, and would be willing to give them more if they changed. Yes, I do have something to say as a customer. Beside, what I'm saying now and what I was saying before I quit didn't change. I don't follow your logic here.


[edit]
Using your logic, Squareenix shouldnt ask people why they are quitting the game, since they are not customer anymore? The whole idea behind a mmo is to keep people online for as long as you can..so yes, SE should listen to players who leave just as much, if not more, than their current playerbase.

Ok maybe I went to far in saying that you have no say. I will give you that. However if you have 300,000 players 10,000 quit.

that leaves 290,000 players that are PAYING. I am going for the most part going to follow the paying people. People who quit you will try and cater to, however you will first and foremost aim for the ones who are paying you. in other words, the gimps still have more say.

[Corrderio]

Sums up those who still takes XI seriously + everyone planning on playing XIV. How much anal rape does it take to break a fanboy?

Not enough to break a fanboy sadly.

[BRP]

I'm arguing that for 20$ in the gaming industry, you will be getting a lot more contents for your money.

What $20 dollars can get you "in the gaming industry" is very random. Almost impossible to pin-point. I can get thousands of dollars worth of the "gaming industry" while spending nothing. What might have cost me x might eventually cost me the much cheaper y, even within a day. Trying to make some formulaic exchange between "content" and money is even sillier. The kind of content one wants to is going to vary from man to man, animal to animal. 20 dollars could get me several JRPG PS2 titles at gamestop or it can make a memorable night at the arcade with a bunch of pro players. The former is clearly inferior despite having more "content," but there are those would prefer it.

If you weigh your options as a buyer you should go for whatever option provides(or you instinctively feel will provide) the most entertainment and pleasure. Such a decision could only be made on a personal level because those options will always be different for everyone else. So basically: nothing to argue about.

Now what would be useful and applicable to everyone is why exactly this game or set of games isn't satisfying, price excluded. From there someone can use that criticism for their own situation.

There are plenty of reasons why one might say the mini-expansions aren't worth it and is has nothing to do with "play length." What you actually do in them(or in FFXI in general) could be called simple and boring, but not entirely. The fact you only value the in-game item rewards that come with it is just saying you don't appreciate the actual content, which is fair. (Though it is utterly retarded. The question is what is retarded. The player or the game?)

[Kaylia]

Ok maybe I went to far in saying that you have no say. I will give you that. However if you have 300,000 players 10,000 quit.

that leaves 290,000 players that are PAYING. I am going for the most part going to follow the paying people. People who quit you will try and cater to, however you will first and foremost aim for the ones who are paying you. in other words, the gimps still have more say.

Yeah, these 290 000 are raging fanboy who would eat any turd offered by SE. Why would they do anything for them? It's easier to just take the money. Instead, you can spend your time making crappy figurine and cheap jewelry, it's a much better income. Apparently, they might sell a Upper Jeuno and Safehold miniatures soon, and if you buy both, they are removing the invisible wall near the exit.

Ok, I know I'm exagerating since most people who stay in the game are doing so because of their friends (which is also the reason why I endured this torture for so long), but there is still a limit to how little they can give us for 13$ per months (or 10$/mini quest).

When they start selling out their answers to major complaint (ie: lack of inventory space, time spent to walk to your party), you should realize they aren't trying anymore to give you content. And stop deluding yourself that I'm the only one who complained about these things, it's been a major issue for a very long time.

[Kaslo]

Yeah, these 290 000 are raging fanboy who would eat any turd offered by SE. Why would they do anything for them? It's easier to just take the money. Instead, you can spend your time making crappy figurine and cheap jewelry, it's a much better income. Apparently, they might sell a Upper Jeuno and Safehold miniatures soon, and if you buy both, they are removing the invisible wall near the exit.

Dude really GTFO already, no one cares about your Troll-like arguing. I may be a fanboy, but not a FFXI-SE fanboy. I will try any RPG Square makes because I have enjoyed most every one of them. I'm not defending SE here, just saying I'm tired of you're endless QQing about paying $10.00 for an item. Personally I bought the mini-expansions for the stories. I love just about every SE story. While with ACP I couldn't follow it really, I loved AMK for it's silliness. And the only in-game item I bought not from an expansion was the Security Token and its for when I play FFXI on my computer (though usually I just stick to my console cause I hate booting into windows) for the security, the inventory space was an awesome bonus though.

tl;dr: here is the next SE statue just for you:

Spoiler: show

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...oll_(FFXI).jpg

[Kaylia]

What $20 dollars can get you "in the gaming industry" is very random. Almost impossible to pin-point. I can get thousands of dollars worth of the "gaming industry" while spending nothing. What might have cost me x might eventually cost me the much cheaper y, even within a day. Trying to make some formulaic exchange between "content" and money is even sillier. The kind of content one wants to is going to vary from man to man, animal to animal. 20 dollars could get me several JRPG PS2 titles at gamestop or it can make a memorable night at the arcade with a bunch of pro players. The former is clearly inferior despite having more "content," but there are those would prefer it.

Now what would be useful and applicable to everyone is why exactly this game or set of games isn't satisfying, price excluded. From there someone can use that criticism for their own situation.

There are plenty of reasons why one might say the mini-expansions aren't worth it and is has nothing to do with "play length." What you actually do in them(or in FFXI in general) could be called simple and boring, but not entirely. The fact you only value the in-game item rewards that come with it is just saying you don't appreciate the actual content, which is fair. (Though it is utterly retarded. The question is what is retarded. The player or the game?)

I used the more convenient 40$ figures in every others post (3 mini expansions + security id), but what I'm saying is that for this price, I believe almost everyone would be able to find better content than what SE gave us. You can go to the arcade with friends, and I will buy j-rpgs, but chance is, we will get more out of it than these 3 shitty scenario.


I'm not talking about "play length", I'm talking about quality of the content. Play length mean absolutely nothing, otherwise, farming my ridill and morrigan pants was the best thing ever. These add-on feel extremely cheap compared to the ingame contents (everything is reused, script wasn't good, and 90% of the time is spent doing task everyone hats)

I value only the reward item in the end, because sincerely, only a minority enjoyed these expansions. Most peoples who bought it did it for completition sake and/or the items near the end.

[Kaylia]

Personally I bought the mini-expansions for the stories.

I youtube'd the cutscenes, read the script, and imagined myself running around delkfut tower and la theigne. As much as I liked normal expansion story (or even quest like serpent general), they did feel subpar and unimportant compared to what we get normally.

Also, I for one, hope that you're always up to date with missions. Otherwise, you're a big liar.

[Deader2818]

Really, I dont think anyone has the right to tell someone what they can, and can't enjoy.

You didn't like it, you quit, good for you, move on. Doesnt give you a right to tell people they are stupid for enjoying it.

[Kaylia]

Really, I dont think anyone has the right to tell someone what they can, and can't enjoy.

You didn't like it, you quit, good for you, move on. Doesnt give you a right to tell people they are stupid for enjoying it.

I'm not. I'm bitching at SquareEnix's method, and people are defending them.... I don't give shit if you like them or not, that's your problem. It's not like you can tell stockholm syndrome's victim they are wrong, because they do like their aggressor.

[Deader2818]

Well, they way ive always seen it, bitching side ways will never get you anywhere. If you want things to change, you need to bitch upward.

[Corrderio]

I'm not. I'm bitching at SquareEnix's method, and people are defending them.... I don't give shit if you like them or not, that's your problem. It's not like you can tell stockholm syndrome's victim they are wrong, because they do like their aggressor.

SE doesn't care about what you think, nor do they care what the people who still play the game think. They've proved this enough times already and do whatever they want.

[Kaylia]

SE doesn't care about what you think, nor do they care what the people who still play the game think. They've proved this enough times already and do whatever they want.

We told them AV was unkillable, and they were nice enough to give us a video! They are totally listening.


But seriously, I agree, and that's what piss me off the most about SE. I'm not asking to be spoon fed, but there is so many obvious improvement (sometime minors, other time majors) that could easily be done, it's annoying to see them not care.


If every other ingame problems were solved during normal update, I wouldn't give a shit about these add-on, but lately, it feels like they are starving us on the purpose of selling more "outside" material. The mog satchet was probably the biggest slap in the face for me.

[Xno Kappa]

I just wanted to chime in that the majority of the whole "RMT-haxed accounts conspiracy" nonsense can be attributed to player stupidity. $10 for a security token is just SE taking advantage of paranoid players. That being said, it's ridiculous I would have to spend $10 for +inventory space when I couldn't care less about their "security" token. It would only be fair if they also added an in-game quest for it considering how many years the player-base was bitching for something of this nature.