Registered Sex Offenders

[Senoska]

For the record, I'm not saying pedo's are not fucking gross and wrong. They totally are. I also think they should be behind bars for a very, very long time. However, I do disagree with this list. I don't think it makes anyone safer and I doubt you can give me an example of why it would in the first place. If you can't make a sound judgment that a man that looks like any of these shouldn't be watching your kid, you're the bad person.

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[Guitarman]

Don't even try to pretend they're the same thing. Even you aren't this dense. Speeding may endanger others, but the intent to harm other people isnt there. Sexual offenses are a flat out intent to sexually assault others. Why are you so fired up about this list of all things?

[cdgreg]

I'm all for analogies but am I the only person reading this thread who doesn't believe driving records = sexual predatory history?

I guess to me the difference lies in crossing moral boundaries. Speeding to work and getting tickets, sideswiping another car because you changed lanes without checking your blind spot, or T-boning another vehicle because you were too inpatient and tried to run a yellow light does not equate to a gross misjudgement in moral character. However, sexual crimes in nature, especially with a minor, in my opinion does equate to a gross misjudgement in moral character. I fear those people who have crossed this moral line because once it's crossed what's stopping repeat crossings?

[Senoska]

Don't even try to pretend they're the same thing. Even you aren't this dense. Speeding may endanger others, but the intent to harm other people isnt there. Sexual offenses are a flat out intent to sexually assault others. Why are you so fired up about this list of all things?

Do you honestly think every, or even the majority of people, on that list have raped or molested someone? What about the other people? And how does having said list make anyone safer?

[Senoska]

I'm all for analogies but am I the only person reading this thread who doesn't believe driving records = sexual predatory history?

I guess to me the difference lies in crossing moral boundaries. Speeding to work and getting tickets, sideswiping another car because you changed lanes without checking your blind spot, or T-boning another vehicle because you were too inpatient and tried to run a yellow light does not equate to a gross misjudgement in moral character. However, sexual crimes in nature, especially with a minor, in my opinion does equate to a gross misjudgement in moral character. I fear those people who have crossed this moral line because once it's crossed what's stopping repeat crossings?

You're not the only person that believes driving records = "sexual predatory history". I obviously believe that rape is worse than speeding. The point isn't what it is, the point is that a list makes no one safer in any regard. Drunk driving is a "gross misjudgment of moral character" but I doubt you would support a similar list for that. When people did their 10, 20, 30 years in jail the debt they owed should have been re-payed for ANY crime..

[Khamsin]

Do you honestly think every, or even the majority of people, on that list have raped or molested someone? What about the other people? And how does having said list make anyone safer?

I honestly think the majority of the people on that list with "Rape" or "Molestation" listed under their conviction history have raped or molested someone. Why wouldn't you think so?

And like I said, the list may not be all-inclusive or 100% accurate, but if just one family chose one neighborhood over another based on how many dots were in the vicinity, and that action prevented a rape or molestation, then the list has made someone safe.

It's impossible to tell what would have been, so we'll never know if the list has actually saved anybody. But having the list is obviously safer than not.

And by safe, I don't mean it protects you, creates an anti-rape shield around your kids' butts, or guarantees anything. I mean it's a tool that responsible people can use to good effect, if they know how to use it properly.

No, the list won't directly prevent rapes by itself. People using the information responsibly can help take preventative measures that will reduce the risk of their kids getting molested. Such as not moving to a neighborhood with a billion red or yellow dots within a half mile.

It's like going to school. Going to school won't get you a job, but it will help responsible people be more successful at finding one.

[kareface]

I'm with seno on this one. Little girls aren't people like you and me so it's ok to rape them. Science doesn't say it's not ok, right?

[Khamsin]

I feel like there's two issues here. One of privacy, and one of responsible use of information.

Responsible use of the list:
Choosing a neighborhood to live in
Checking on your neighbors or kid's friend's parents before letting them watch your kids or have a sleepover

Irresponsible use of the list:
Driving someone out of your neighborhood
Checking on everyone you know, hoping to find someone to lynch

As for privacy, would people be happy if names, addresses, numbers, etc. were not available and the map merely showed nameless dots so you can know what neighborhoods are better than others? With the ability to search someone's name, that would turn up their conviction history but not address, number, etc.

Is that a decent compromise? Because I'm not arguing the privacy issue, I'm arguing the value to prudent parents. People can still use the list responsibly without the privacy violation, and I think that's what's getting to most people.

[Busmanjones]

Only like 5 out here at Miramar Beach.

[Senoska]

I feel like there's two issues here. One of privacy, and one of responsible use of information.

Responsible use of the list:
Choosing a neighborhood to live in
Checking on your neighbors or kid's friend's parents before letting them watch your kids or have a sleepover

Irresponsible use of the list:
Driving someone out of your neighborhood
Checking on everyone you know, hoping to find someone to lynch

As for privacy, would people be happy if names, addresses, numbers, etc. were not available and the map merely showed nameless dots so you can know what neighborhoods are better than others? With the ability to search someone's name, that would turn up their conviction history but not address, number, etc.

Is that a decent compromise? Because I'm not arguing the privacy issue, I'm arguing the value to prudent parents. People can still use the list responsibly without the privacy violation, and I think that's what's getting to most people.

I think nameless dots would be best as it doesn't single someone specifically out and doesn't put anyone at or around the houses they live at at risk like the current list does.

I still don't feel that this list makes anyone safer. Great, you know there's a "dot" in your neighborhood. What did that do for you? They didn't molest your kid yet, did they? What makes you think they would now? Just the fact that you know? I honestly don't see the point of the list. It puts many lives at risk (Those on it and around those homes.) for no gain what-so-ever.

[Seraph]

Does anyone else feel that the comparison of rape to traffic violations borders on disgusting?

You need to do some serious soul searching Seno. I know you have a chip on your shoulder about the list, and I agree it might not always be a far situation for those placed on it, but at least pick mildly applicable analogies when talking about it. Kidnapping? Sure. Murder? Sure. Both leave lasting impressions on those who are victimized by them. Speeding ticket? No fucking way man.

[Senoska]

Does anyone else feel that the comparison of rape to traffic violations borders on disgusting?

You need to do some serious soul searching Seno. I know you have a chip on your shoulder about the list, and I agree it might not always be a far situation for those placed on it, but at least pick mildly applicable analogies when talking about it. Kidnapping? Sure. Murder? Sure. Both leave lasting impressions on those who are victimized by them. Speeding ticket? No fucking way man.

Way to read the thread, dickfuck. People are put on the list for some of the most outrageous things imaginable. IE: Pissing in a bush while drunk, someone LYING and being PROVEN INNOCENT of crimes.

[Kerberoz]

Way to read the thread, dickfuck. People are put on the list for some of the most outrageous things imaginable. IE: Pissing in a bush while drunk, someone LYING and being PROVEN INNOCENT of crimes.

Which is why the list should only include criminals judged to be a danger to society (actual rapists, molesters, etc) and not just an extra sentence tacked onto any case involving genitalia like it is currently.

[Seraph]

Way to read the thread, dickfuck. People are put on the list for some of the most outrageous things imaginable. IE: Pissing in a bush while drunk, someone LYING and being PROVEN INNOCENT of crimes.

I addressed that point in my post, dickfuck. The justice system puts innocent people in jail and sends them to their death too. Should we just do away with it entirely too, instead of trying to make it better and more applicable?

Are you really defending the innocent here, or do you think kiddie touchers are getting punished too harshly, or both?

[Senoska]

I addressed that point in my post, dickfuck. The justice system puts innocent people in jail and sends them to their death too. Should we just do away with it entirely too, instead of trying to make it better and more applicable?

Are you really defending the innocent here, or do you think kiddie touchers are getting punished too harshly, or both?

YES! WHAT THE FUCK?! What kind of question is that?
"We're murdering people, should we stop?"

[*Shinzon*]

YES! WHAT THE FUCK?! What kind of question is that?
"We're murdering people, should we stop?"

What exactly are you getting at? Without adding to all the sarcastic bullshit you've added to every post that I've come across. What exactly is it you want? Law isn't perfect but you seem to have a solution in mind.

[Senoska]

Stop killing people? Stop punishing people after they've done their time.

[Kerberoz]

Oh, and someone who went to my high school (think he was 16 at the time) is listed for dropping his pants and mooning a girl during class. I wish I was making this shit up, but seriously? Outburst of stupidity from a teenager deserves the same consideration as a child molester?

[Khamsin]

I think nameless dots would be best as it doesn't single someone specifically out and doesn't put anyone at or around the houses they live at at risk like the current list does.

I still don't feel that this list makes anyone safer. Great, you know there's a "dot" in your neighborhood. What did that do for you? They didn't molest your kid yet, did they? What makes you think they would now? Just the fact that you know? I honestly don't see the point of the list. It puts many lives at risk (Those on it and around those homes.) for no gain what-so-ever.

The purpose of the list isn't to be aware of random people in your neighborhood. It's a reference to aid in selecting a neighborhood to move your family in to. Or to check on your kids friends parents before letting your kid go to a sleepover.

As for "they haven't raped your kid yet", just because something hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it never will. I can eat junk food, smoke, and be lazy and I haven't had a heart attack yet.

Also, a pedo isn't going to be on a mission to rape every child in the neighborhood. That's not how it works. Some child in some neighorhood may be at risk. The rapist in your neighborhood might not rape your kid. But he might do it to someone else. Or he might not do it at all, but some other neighborhood's rapist did it in his own area. Who knows. The list isn't a guarantee that they'll all reoffend, or that you'll be protected. It's just a precaution.

[*Shinzon*]

Stop killing people? Stop punishing people after they've done their time.

Have you ever taken a serious law class dealing with recidivism rates in the Legal system? Regarding not just sex crimes but crime as a societal issue at all? I just want to know before I go any further. Serious question, just trying to get a gauge.