For BG fitness fanatics, a question..

[richardd]

i've met some older adults that has had success with pro hormones and take it at a responsible level with the necessary precautions (liver supplements, stopping every 2-3 months etc). but these are guys in their late 30's. they dont have much to lose WHEN doing it like that. other people just overdose and are too obsessed with the results to give it a bad name when their liver starts shitting out, acting like an ass from the hormones themselves or just plain getting injured.



with that said. i wouldnt fuck around with them. i know the risks, and its too much for me to bare, especially since i want kids in the future. and im only 23. i REALLY dont need that shit right now until i get older want to maintain all the muscle mass i have left

[Moss]

For me, it would be a quality-of-life question, not a performance issue. If the HGH weren't so expensive, I'd probably continue with it, at least until I had a good reason not to, like some new evidence that it makes you grow extra ears. (The side effects of HGH are reportedly mild—one is fluid retention.) If nothing else, it helped my eyesight, and I had more energy. Lately, I've been reading studies about how endurance athletes suffer from low testosterone, which leads to early signs of osteoporosis, so I'm going to continue to monitor my levels and, if they drop too far, consider boosting them with the cream.

With the EPO, even if somebody gave it away, I wouldn't go down that road. Using it is too much of a literal and figurative headache, and if you get sloppy there's always the danger of nasty results. And I would never touch steroids again, unless I had some specific medical need. It's all just too powerful, too strange, and it's hard to read a list of the side effects and not feel like you're playing Russian roulette.

I found the info on the HGH most interesting because before reading the article there was no difference between it and steroids in my mind. But yeah, I wouldn't mess with any of that stuff unless I had health problems.

[richardd]

i try to avoid those articles lol

its like those slides they show in elementary school about the effects of weed if you smoke it. it does absolutely nothing but make me want to get high even more, after seeing it from the slides perspective.

"dont hit that red button, even though its right by you and its a fun button to touch"

fucking ugh lol


id be lying if i said i never thought about taking it once or twice. but in the end, im glad i dont. i cant wait to impregnate this world with richy's, richardd jrs, richard, and ricardos, and a daughter named dick

[Zoolander]

i try to avoid those articles lol

its like those slides they show in elementary school about the effects of weed if you smoke it. it does absolutely nothing but make me want to get high even more, after seeing it from the slides perspective.

"dont hit that red button, even though its right by you and its a fun button to touch"

fucking ugh lol


id be lying if i said i never thought about taking it once or twice. but in the end, im glad i dont. i cant wait to impregnate this world with richy's, richardd jrs, richard, and ricardos, and a daughter named dick

wtf you need roids for lol, you ass hole. You are big enough!

Only thing that would ever intrigue me would be endurance stuff, but if it comes with a side of possible death and losing my balls...I'll pass!

[richardd]

its hard to feel big when there are 19 year old kids doing warmup atgs of 550 lbs lol. WARMUPS! these kids are fucking goliaths lol. i feel like krillin in a gym full of super saiyajins

[Zoolander]

Jeese wtf kind of gym do you go to lol.

In other news, I'll have to keep these guys in my mind when I start to feel the pain doing 2-3 minute planks lol. Talk about will power, fucking insane.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10904691

The annual World Sauna Championships in Finland have ended in tragedy with the death of one of the finalists, the organisers said.

Russian finalist Vladimir Ladyzhensky and Finnish rival Timo Kaukonen were both taken to hospital after collapsing and Mr Ladyzhensky later died.

The event, which has been running since 1999, requires participants to withstand 110C for as long as possible.

lol, that is 230 degree Fahrenheit...and apparently it gets hotter every 30 seconds. haha, insanity. Since I brought this up, here is a fantastic article by Rick Reilly about his experience with it: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=5198604

In each opening heat only two of the six moved on. Our friend Rick Ellis from New York went 8:03, to advance. I was waiting to congratulate him when I noticed something awful. There were two big patches of skin missing on his upper lip, just under his nostrils.

"Dude, were you breathing through your nose?" I asked.

"Yeah, why?" he said.

"Your skin is all gone under your nose! It's burned off!"

He felt his upper lip in horror. He ran to the mirror. The tops of his ears were split open and bubbling. Under his arms and on his back were bright purple patches. His forehead was painted bright red and blistering in front of his eyes. "Man, I'm burning up. Even my tongue is burned." His wife begged him to quit, but he refused. Said he had trained too hard. She shook her head.

Then there was Ellis, who entered the quarterfinals with dozens of blisters on his body. "Man, I knew I was in trouble right away," he later said. "When I felt this big, half-dollar-size blister behind my back, I said, 'Okay, that's enough. I gotta get out.'"

He was the first out, at 4:15, and he was melting like the wicked witch. His forehead, his lips and his ears were giant lumps of pus. His triceps were riddled with pebble-size blisters, dozens of them. So much skin was hanging off him he looked like the world's most successful gastric-bypass patient. His forehead was a science-fiction movie. His nose was cooked like a forgotten kielbasa. And this was just what we could see.

He lifted up his shirt and there it was: this horrible, huge, pus-filled sac -- the size of a $3 pancake -- just hanging off his armpit. His wife gasped. TLC turned away in horror. When we dragged him to first aid the guy said, "You must go to the hospital. When these blisters break, you will lose lots of fluid and be highly susceptible to infection. We can't do anything for you here. It is too serious."

I can't read this without loling hard, its so fucking insane. Really should read the whole article by Reilly.

[Moss]

Jeese wtf kind of gym do you go to lol.

In other news, I'll have to keep these guys in my mind when I start to feel the pain doing 2-3 minute planks lol. Talk about will power, fucking insane.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10904691



lol, that is 230 degree Fahrenheit

wtf, why does that competition even exist

its like those slides they show in elementary school about the effects of weed if you smoke it. it does absolutely nothing but make me want to get high even more, after seeing it from the slides perspective.

"dont hit that red button, even though its right by you and its a fun button to touch"

fucking ugh lol

The part about him gaining 12 lbs of muscle without lifting a weight from the steroids was pretty crazy.

[Meat]

i try to avoid those articles lol

its like those slides they show in elementary school about the effects of weed if you smoke it. it does absolutely nothing but make me want to get high even more, after seeing it from the slides perspective.

"dont hit that red button, even though its right by you and its a fun button to touch"

fucking ugh lol


id be lying if i said i never thought about taking it once or twice. but in the end, im glad i dont. i cant wait to impregnate this world with richy's, richardd jrs, richard, and ricardos, and a daughter named dick

most of those articles are sensationalist bullshit. there's absolutely nothing wrong at all with steroids. i can point to the obvious there's more chewable vitamin reported deaths then steroid .

[sephir]

Personally I wouldn't take roids if I was offered, I much prefer reaching weight goals on my own accord - it feels that much better.

[Meat]

there's a natural limit, and it's surprisingly very low. It's nearly impossible to be well defined at\over 200lbs. think like height, joint size and myostatin really aim to limit your gains.

As for your own accord, no steriod is going to build muscle for you, not without proper diet, training and rest, same as any other.

The part about him gaining 12 lbs of muscle without lifting a weight from the steroids was and is a blatant lie. how much muscle did you put on when you hit 13, that's all steroids are. a major boost in testosterone, ala puberty.

my old man takes testosterone in slight amounts just to balance the drop as you age.

[richardd]

there's a natural limit, and it's surprisingly very low. It's nearly impossible to be well defined at\over 200lbs. think like height, joint size and myostatin really aim to limit your gains.

As for your own accord, no steriod is going to build muscle for you, not without proper diet, training and rest, same as any other.

The part about him gaining 12 lbs of muscle without lifting a weight from the steroids was and is a blatant lie. how much muscle did you put on when you hit 13, that's all steroids are. a major boost in testosterone, ala puberty.

my old man takes testosterone in slight amounts just to balance the drop as you age.

EXACTLY. thats what makes it so hard to avoid the temptation. people are idiots when handling something powerful. its not as bad as giving a gun to 11 year old and telling him not to shoot the soda cans outside. irresponsible people just give it a bad name like i said before. i've met guys who take it on a consistent basis, with rest periods and other precautions and are in PERFECT health after doing it for years and years. these guy's forms are great, and their performance is nothing short of spectacular. he told me the only bad thing about the hormones is that sometimes his dick will get soft out of nowhere in the middle of sex, but he counters that with viagra and says its perfectly fine now. i really dont see the risk if you're responsible with it. but man.. we're still young. we dont stop growing until 25'ish, right?

[richardd]

yuh son! new-on-the-go snack
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sf/beef.html

[tyven]

someone give me a beastly 4 day split, go now. GO NOW DO IT. mon - thurs playas

[Gustave]

Has anyone watched "Bigger Stronger Faster*" ? It's on starz on demand with charter/comcast I think. I starget watching it last night but I didn't get a chance to finish it.

[Atreides]

yuh son! new-on-the-go snack
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sf/beef.html

virtually every brand of beef jerky (no, slim jim's don't count) has no fat/carbs, consisting almost entirely of protein (and salt). Depending on the price you may be better off just buying a big bag of whatever flavor from Sam's Club/Costco/BJs.

It's actually an old trick that fashion models use, the day before a photo shoot they eat nothing but beef jerky and ice water (which your body has to burn calories to heat) to flush out the sodium.

[Jak]

yuh son! new-on-the-go snack
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sf/beef.html

Save your money dude. Every single beef jerky brand I pulled up that my local gas stations had (1.00~ a pop roughly) had 80~ calories and typically 5-10 calories of unsaturated fat and no saturated fat. The typical protein in each serving was 12-15 which is exactly what yours is.

Edit: sorry atreides.. I have no clue how I missed your post right above me >_> So I guess I'm just mirroring what you said.

[richardd]

i love their teriyaki flavors lol

and im watching the bigger stronger faster documentary now, and this looks more like its trying too hard to entertain you and derail rather than sticking with the main issues with hardly any concrete evidence lol. im halfway through now, but i still think, (IF YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH, and NEED the hormones) as long as you take it responsibly with the precautions, you'll be fine lol

[richardd]

i'm not gonna lie. i'm at that point where i feel like i cant get any more progression as far as size goes without some miracle supplements or hormones. i know it takes years, but its hard to take in. everything was going so fast and so steady. i lifted HEAVY for 2 months with pre/post-workout supplements. im almost at 17 inches on my arms and when i measured today, im still only at 16 3/4. its vexing, and not only that. but i went on the scale and i DROPPED 7 lbs. i've been eating like i was when i was a fatass, but with healthy organic foods. im eating fucking over 3k cals a day. i buy a can of peanut butter every week and 5 dozen eggs with misc meats, and i DROPPED lbs. lol.

im at a point where i guess i'm happy where i am. but im not that big lol. its frustrating to be stereotyped as a small/skinny guy in a gym full of people who dont know me on a personal lvl. im glad i got some good friends who dont judge me and help me regardless. but man.... like i said before. i'd be lying if i told you that i didnt think once or twice about taking it.

but.. im happy lol. i fit in with society. if ppl want to think of me as a "weakling" or skinnyboy or whatever, than who cares? my standards are my own lol

Spoiler: show

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[Zoolander]

How the hell are you being stereotyped as small/skinny? You step into any gym I've ever been in and you would be at the higher end. Think you are a "victim" of wherever the hell you are living atm.

You have a good look going right now anyways, idk why you would even want to get bigger. Stronger? Yea sure we all do, but you have a nice balance going right now.

I feel like I'm listening to an anorexic girl talk about how shes not skinny enough when in reality she weighs 90lbs and is super skinny.

[Draylo]

How the hell are you being stereotyped as small/skinny? You step into any gym I've ever been in and you would be at the higher end. Think you are a "victim" of wherever the hell you are living atm.

You have a good look going right now anyways, idk why you would even want to get bigger. Stronger? Yea sure we all do, but you have a nice balance going right now.

I feel like I'm listening to an anorexic girl talk about how shes not skinny enough when in reality she weighs 90lbs and is super skinny.

This ^, you are fine where you are, that definitely isn't skinny.