Shantotto Ascension

[Crab_Cake]

No. This isn't "CoP style difficulty." CoP fetishists salivate over brutally hard challenges, which is at least understandable. ASA however tells you to play dice against the random-number generator far more than fair, and can invalidate any amount of time spent along the way if synths decide to fail (to say nothing of artificial group-forcing like "only /ra damages these mobs"). It's not a fair challenge. It's not "difficulty" in any reasonable sense. It's just assholish random chance for the sake of artificially lengthening gameplay.

It's like they saw people clearing ACP and MKE in like a day or two each, then decided to make ASA say "fuck you" as loudly as it could. JP midnight waits were too good for us, apparently.

TBH, CoP was never hard to begin with(even before the nerf). The hard part was finding the right jobs and finding 5 other people to do the missions with you. The only hard part about CoP compare to other people is "needing" 6 people for most of the missions, unlike other missions where you can solo or duo most of them.

Once you have 6 people, it was simple(unless you had a bad job setup, like a lolNIN tank for Snoll).

Edit: Yes, I am aware that NIN > PLD back in CoP but still, NIN was crap in that BCNM because they could not do anything to keep hate in the Snoll. PLD had Invincible(really good against Snoll), NIN had lolMijin Gakure.

Yes, I done CoP since it came out, back when people went in teams of alliances up the promies and failed miserably at the boss.

[Nevex]

Sorry to break this on you but CoP's airship fight before BLU was added and PLD and SAM got their boosts was absolutely brutal unless you had a dedicated setup for it.

Hard BCs are fine though, but from what I read people are paying several hundred of Ks just for some crafted material for this add-on?

[Corrderio]

Sorry to break this on you but CoP's airship fight before BLU was added and PLD and SAM got their boosts was absolutely brutal unless you had a dedicated setup for it.

Hard BCs are fine though, but from what I read people are paying several hundred of Ks just for some crafted material for this add-on?

Some people were paying 100K for the pumps for Omega/Ultima

[BerenTebogo]

I had people pay me to tank the omega / ultima fights as NIN back in the day with super EVA kits. Was good $$$. I miss CoP and inflation

[Narol]

The difference is that with a proper group and the right amount of skill, that 100k was a guaranteed return on investment for the pumps. You went in, used the pumps as required, and won the fight. Unless you somehow power your crafts up, ASA won't give you any guarantees. Even if you do that, you're investing even more time and money into getting the crafts up unless you already had them levelled, which a majority of people don't.

CoP is like reading War and Peace. It takes a while and it's not the easiest book to digest. ASA is like reading Dick and Jane in Klingon.

[Tempestwolf]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this thread says SHANTOTTO, right? I must be mistaken, because why would we be talking about CoP, in a thread made for SHANTOTTO ASCENSION? Can we get back on topic or shut the hell up at least and stop derailing / clouding the subjecy?

[Corrderio]

Just tired the BC did well but after one Shantotto gets to 25% they seem to do their 2 signature attacks together which is the real killer. We got Light Shantotto down to ~25% then her and her dark counterpart came after our SAM (when he didn't do anything for hate) and floored him, followed by me, then and our MNK.

[BerenTebogo]

ITT: people new here don't know how shit works.

[finalwolf]

Shantotto "Divine Malison" -> D. Shantotto "Salvation Scythe" = light sc

Shantotto uses Staff + staff ws
D. Shantotto uses Scythe + scythe ws

both use single-target tier4, tier3 aga, AMII

one or both of the ws does that Bad Breath effect+ Stun + moderate damage, also the ws are aoe. possible to resist the some or all of the enfeebles.

Divine Malison definitely does have a stun effect

shantotto can cast pro5/shell5/holy
d.shantotto can cast drain1-2/aspir/absorbs spells


-easy to kite one, but will teleport to the person the other shantotto has hate on.

[Acorn]

Yeah pretty sure killing one without fighting the other one isn't going to work. In our second attempt last night she started taking very little damage as we were about to kill her, and also went into super rape mode. We are about to try a different strategy...

It's really pretty easy when they are in normal mode... so we are going to try alternating targets and killing them evenly. Maybe that will change something, maybe we will just get raped again

[Corrderio]

What we were thinking of doing is holding one at the spot we enter the BC and the other where they spawn. That way we hopefully won't get raped when they do Salvation Scythe/Divine Malison at the same time.

[Tempestwolf]

The fight does not seem that bad to be honest, we almost had it as we were on our first run. Second run should prove to be fun.

[Tempestwolf]

Yeah pretty sure killing one without fighting the other one isn't going to work. In our second attempt last night she started taking very little damage as we were about to kill her, and also went into super rape mode. We are about to try a different strategy...

It's really pretty easy when they are in normal mode... so we are going to try alternating targets and killing them evenly. Maybe that will change something, maybe we will just get raped again

What % did you get it too? We had it down to 11% and I'm sure we could have finished it.

[gaimear]

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t...110_175528.png

just got that for my chocobo key.. too bad I don't have RDM or BLM

[FTAJuicymama]

Yeah pretty sure killing one without fighting the other one isn't going to work. In our second attempt last night she started taking very little damage as we were about to kill her, and also went into super rape mode. We are about to try a different strategy...

It's really pretty easy when they are in normal mode... so we are going to try alternating targets and killing them evenly. Maybe that will change something, maybe we will just get raped again

that is true, she also wont die at 1% with dmg dealing to her

it's pretty much ying and yang way

[Corrderio]

Hmm... this brings up an interesting question then. How do you control the damage when they go berserk when they get to a certain % of their health?

[nyglypz]

You guys who are doing the final fight, are you going with a full group of 6? I'm only asking because I can only seem to find 4~5 and I'd like to try if others are doing with less than a full group... I got time to kill and getting the 16 hexes doesn't faze me.

[Tempestwolf]

that is true, she also wont die at 1% with dmg dealing to her

it's pretty much ying and yang way

You know this for a fact / have seen so? To us it seems like you just grit your teeth and kill one off then the other.

[FTAJuicymama]

You know this for a fact / have seen so? To us it seems like you just grit your teeth and kill one off then the other.

because my group just took 1 down to 1% and we couldnt dmg it any further

if u want more proof u can try it yourself, we used 2 sam 2hr at 25% to zerg it down to 1

[finalwolf]

because my group just took 1 down to 1% and we couldnt dmg it any further

sounds a bit like the avatar fights for this mission line. doesn't immediately get to 0% from 1%

it resisted dmg @ 1% or any dmg applied didn't accomplish anything?