Shantotto Ascension

[Kaibelf]

Nope

Shantotto is no more
I beat that bitch like a whore~

Can't find Shantotto, I need a Wide-Scanna'
So I can smack that bitch 'round like Rhianna

[Siniroth]

make sure you take a blm for the full moon fountain fight. our party had a rdm/blm and a brd and they couldn't keep the clones slept for more than like 30 seconds at which point the mages were para'd and silenced then nuked down.


on a side not why the hell do people insist on being /anon and refusing to tell their job going into a bcnm. especially frustrating when you don't see them until you are at the fight.



thanks for wasting my 8 key items and my time >.>

If they won't go off anon and won't tell you their job, /pcmd kick

[Lasareth]

One benefit of the smn method that I'm not sure has been mentioned yet is that B.Shantotto's hate will often switch to one of the avatars instead of a party member, allowing the focus to stay on D.Shantotto. If she uses the aoe WS the smns and support will probably be out of range anyway, maybe 1 or 2 smns going in to BP will be hit max.

[Kaibelf]

If they won't go off anon and won't tell you their job, /pcmd kick

This. No time for such bullshit. I'll go one step further. I was invited to a BC battle, were @5 people, and the leader of the party, and the co-organizer were taking like... 5-6 minutes to answer basic questions (What job should I be? My friend might be interested - have you found a 6th?) Finally, I said fuck it, I don't have time to ask the same question like 8-9 times with no response and left. Not kidding, 45 fucking minutes later, the leader sends me a shitty /tell telling me I was an asshole for disbanding. It took him THAT long to even notice.... when he was AT the BC.

[Tuna]

question:

for the full moon fountain fight, does every party member need all 8 saps or just the leader?

[Narol]

I was invited to a BC battle, were @5 people, and the leader of the party, and the co-organizer were taking like... 5-6 minutes to answer basic questions (What job should I be? My friend might be interested - have you found a 6th?)

I once asked a party leader several times what sub he wanted me to use. After getting no answer I just said screw it and used my best judgement. Then at the BC he started bitching at me for having the "wrong" sub. The party was mostly from his LS so of course they backed up his retardation.

If they won't go off anon and won't tell you their job, /pcmd kick

There are valid reasons to stay /anon during a BC, mostly due to how certain jobs will get spammed with stupid tells ("hey can you do * after you're done?") if supply is low enough and demand high enough. But agreed that if they can't even type "oh yeah I'm <job>", you should boot them.

[crux]

I've never even heard of someone refusing to say their job. I'd not only kick them, but I'd berate them, blacklist them, and barrage their Delivery Box with pebbles.

Went 1/1 on the final fight. Oddly enough I didn't go WHM, as their were two already and they went against my advice that having a third would be better than me going Bard. We just barely got D. Shantotto down, after four members already reraised, before a complete wipe. We came very close to wiping again during Shantotto's rage, winning while almost every member was in the red. Curaga IV's weren't being spammed as much as I advised, but we won, so I won't complain.

Went with movement speed and cure potency. Couldn't justify much else over a 5% increase on cures, between WHM, BRD, BLM, and soon to be RDM.

[Rezeak]

Did it SMN SMN SMN SCH WHM WHM

Very easy if mages+ SMN are keeping a good distance from Shantotto.

Pclaws caped at 2.5k for me also it's very likly Avatars get the 3 X hp so make holding easy with 3 SMNs since resummon = 3k hp more for that taru to work through.

Anyhow reguardless the method excess healing seems to be the key i'd also sub
/WHM on SMN over /SCH
a) you have 3 X mp.
b) you get magic def bonus.

If i was going to do this melee wise i'd go WHM WHM COR DD x 3
COR there just for magus roll to increase survivabitly then prolly SAM or WAR roll since buffs prolly increase attack and acc enough.

Btw AoE range seems to be 30+ from target.

Also since i done it a few times the hexs "seems" to be this.

1. Tablet of Hexes: Greed (G-10) :some Bar
2. Tablet of Hexes: Envy (F-8) :some Bar
3. Tablet of Hexes: Malice (F-10) :some Bar
4. Tablet of Hexes: Deceit (F-8) :some Bar
5. Tablet of Hexes: Pride (J-11) :some Bar
6. Tablet of Hexes: Bale (I-8): Grants the effect of Barwater

7. Tablet of Hexes: Despair (J-13) : 150 STR
8. Tablet of Hexes: Regret (E-5) : 150 DEX
9. Tablet of Hexes: Rage (K-11) : 150 AGI
10. Tablet of Hexes: Agony (E-10) : 150 VIT
11. Tablet of Hexes: Dolor (J-9) : 150 INT
12. Tablet of Hexes: Rancor (F-11) : 150 MND
13. Tablet of Hexes: Strife (H-6) : 150 CHR

14. Tablet of Hexes: Penury (F-9): Grants HP x 3
15. Tablet of Hexes: Blight (H-9) : Grants MP x 3
16. Tablet of Hexes: Death (L-13) : RR

[Jynx]

I'm wondering who all actually needs the Hexes I've heard multiple reports of people helping with the final fight, getting the buffs wether they had the Hexes or not.

So I am wondering if only one person requires the Hexes just as with the previous fight where only one person needed the saps to gain the benifit.

[Ivve]

There are valid reasons to stay /anon during a BC, mostly due to how certain jobs will get spammed with stupid tells ("hey can you do * after you're done?") if supply is low enough and demand high enough. But agreed that if they can't even type "oh yeah I'm <job>", you should boot them.

No, there are not valid reasons for that kind of shit, at all, ever. This is coming from someone who has WHM/RDM/BLM/BRD, too. I have gotten a couple of stupid tells now and then, but I would never qualify it as being "spammed" to a degree that's so out of control it justifies being anonymous during a mission or BCNM preparation. Turn on away, blacklist people who won't take no for an answer, put something in your seacom, but don't sit there and be anonymous during a mission. It's much faster for someone to just check you for themselves and tell you to change than have to ask you, for one, and secondly: some people fucking lie. They think they know better than the party leader what will work in the BCNM, so they act like they've changed to the job combination requested, and then you get inside and realize they're on their own agenda. Anon is fucking dumb, stop doing it.

[Rezeak]

I'm wondering who all actually needs the Hexes I've heard multiple reports of people helping with the final fight, getting the buffs wether they had the Hexes or not.

i know i missed MND hex and someone else entered and i didn't get MND so you do need them.

Helpers get all buffs (no need for any hexs).

btw you can clear /anon on pple useing levelsync >.0

[Siniroth]

I love you Ivve :<

[LinktheDeme]

does anyone know if people who just come to help need the key items to get buffs or will they get buffs if everyone else has every key item?

[Kaslo]

does anyone know if people who just come to help need the key items to get buffs or will they get buffs if everyone else has every key item?

It is LITERALLY two posts above yours...

[Rezeak]

Helpers don't need Hexs
there also don't need expanision and they don't need to be on the mission

they will get all buffs

if it is effected by the person starting doesn't really matter since they should have all the important hexs anyway.

[Gustaf the Voidbringer]

I assume if I wanna credit for an extra Tonberry Key when helping out others, I have to get all 16 hexes?

I mean, good idea to get them all anyways... but yeah.

edit: Also, friend made this for our parties. We always manage to somehow land in a party that messes up the first run so this sometimes drills the formation into their heads. Also, they all happen to have RDMs for some reason.

http://i35.tinypic.com/33mbmdf.jpg

[Marvis]

Helpers don't need Hexs
there also don't need expanision and they don't need to be on the mission

they will get all buffs

if it is effected by the person starting doesn't really matter since they should have all the important hexs anyway.

^ is true.

[Guppy]

make sure you take a blm for the full moon fountain fight. our party had a rdm/blm and a brd and they couldn't keep the clones slept for more than like 30 seconds at which point the mages were para'd and silenced then nuked down.

If you don't have a BLM, you can have your other mages (RDM, WHM, SCH) sub /blm and do ES-Sleepga to make sure it sticks. After 2-3 rounds of sequential ES-Sleepga, your melees should have killed enough of them to bring things under control.

[Narol]

and secondly: some people fucking lie. They think they know better than the party leader what will work in the BCNM, so they act like they've changed to the job combination requested, and then you get inside and realize they're on their own agenda.

I've never even heard of people outright lying about their jobs before. Maybe it happened once to you and you're paranoid now, but I've never even seen it once in 6 years.

[Siniroth]

I've never heard of people outright spamming tells because of your job before. Maybe it happened once to you and you're paranoid now, but I've never even seen it once in 6 years.

See how illogical an argument that is?