Shantotto Ascension

[Onorgul]

If I forget to take down my XP seacom from seeking on Ninja and change to some other job (even something unusual like Ranger), I can get slammed with XP invites pretty fast sometimes. It takes all of 3 seconds to say, "Sorry, I'm not seeking," though. /anon has no place in the game anymore, if it ever did in the first place, and it certainly has no place at a major BCNM.

[BerenTebogo]

Sorry if it's been asked but can someone not on the mission collect hexes and help you in the final BC?

[LinktheDeme]

Sorry if it's been asked but can someone not on the mission collect hexes and help you in the final BC?

doood im not sure we should test this

[Onorgul]

Sorry if it's been asked but can someone not on the mission collect hexes and help you in the final BC?

For clarification, do you mean someone who has completed the mission already or someone who has not gotten that far/doesn't have Shantotto Ascension purchased?

[BerenTebogo]

For clarification, do you mean someone who has completed the mission already or someone who has not gotten that far/doesn't have Shantotto Ascension purchased?

Someone who has not gotten that far/doesn't have Shantotto Ascension purchased

[Asmoranomar]

Don't know where to put this, but a friend of mine got the "Magic Crit Damage +10" and we seem to think it changes the MAB+10 from a crit to MAB+20.

I don't actually own the piece of gear. I'm not a BLM and while I can look up the formulas I'm not very familiar with them to know for certain. Perhaps someone who's more experienced in this department can grab a pair and do some advanced number crunching?

Edit: Now he thinks its (Total MAB)*1.10 in the BLM formula....still not sure.

[Beave]

/anon is perfectly acceptable in every situation. If you're not in close proximity to the person in question you can just ask what job they are, and if they are right next to you, it should be obvious what job they are on. Several people in my shells -as well as myself- more or less perma /anon and it's never been a problem...

[Draylo]

Dumb fight -.-, we get D shantotto to 1% and she is invicinible and somehow when she raged she caused 3 of us to dc at the same time? Then we come back online and everyone is dead so we reraise, then go back at her and she won't die... 1% the whole time.

[Suteru]

Just cleared the last boss with WHM WHM BLU WAR SAM COR

Rage didn't seem too bad. Didn't even notice her not taking damage at 1% so I guess rage was over before then. No deaths, either.

[Aemora]

/anon is perfectly acceptable in every situation. If you're not in close proximity to the person in question you can just ask what job they are, and if they are right next to you, it should be obvious what job they are on. Several people in my shells -as well as myself- more or less perma /anon and it's never been a problem...

There's an obvious difference around the way you gear yourself when you are a Pld, Smn, Rdm and Brd. But what about the crappy DDs who have multiple cross-over gear, like Wars and Drks and such. There's been a few times when I'm unable to tell the job of people I've known since I started playing the game, because their gear crosses over with multiple jobs that they have leveled, and they never wear the defining AF or other singular gear. And for me to check them and figure out what jobs each item can wear, and eliminate them from each other to be left with a possiblity of 2 or 3, then I'm sure asking them what job they are on is quicker than doing a cross-reference.

[Kaylia]

^
The weapon usually speak on its own. Job itself is rarely the problem though, it's the subjob that make or break certain situation


Anyway, I do think anon is gay when you are the one organizing events. It can get confusing really fast when there is a lot of job changes involved, and you want to make sure everything is correct.

[BerenTebogo]

Wiped at 2% last night and I have some questions.

We had our BLU (caiti) run in and aggro both the mobs so she could hold W. Shantatto and not have any hate or w/e but she got locked on our DRG despite him doing nothing and there was literally nothing Caiti could do to get hate off him (ended up wasting a lot of potential damage here)

Secondly our WHMs reported getting hit by the nasty AoE status debuff even at max range? Were they just not standing right or do you have 1 at like 25 and 1 whm at like 5' from the melee ready to cast esuna after far whm silenas them?

Edit: Our setup was BLU/NIN DRG/NIN WAR/NIN gimp pickup SAM/NIN (no hagun, looked like shinsoku + STR+8 or w/e campaign body) and we still came very close. I'm confident we can pull it off this time (DRG wants to change to better equipped RNG, good idea? Y/N?) now that we've seen first hand just confused by the behavior

[Shenrien]

this fight is definetly interesting.

went as...
WHM,WHM, WHM/NIN DRG(Gungnir)/SAM SAM/NIN,SAM/NIN

/NIN whm held w.shantotto and at 50% she lost all hate and couldn't regain.

we pushed d.shatotto down past 25% then... she PMS'd and she PMS'd hard!

even with 4k HP, 150 elemental resistances her nukes hit like nothing was up, and her WS's were crazy, we hardly had a time to react we got her down to about 10% and we noticed her DEF seemed to have sky rockted cause my basic TP hits went from 120~140 to 40~50 and my WS's went form 1.2-1.4 to 500's it was embarrassing almost wanted to throw away my Hagun.

anyways.. the WHM we had were a little on the slow side, they liked to stand right up next to the DD's for some odd reason, they claimed for Esuna spam, but hell that's sorta hard when your taking heavy damage and are silenced :/ when we asked the WHM's to Benedict one at a time one of them didn't listen when we called for it, and we ended up wiping, on the re-raise of the fight we let her return to 100% to see if she would be any easier ... and uhh.. never attempt doing that ^_^;

she regains her 2hr, but w.shantotto doesn't lose hate until at least 25% when she 2hr's again, it was definitely something we couldn't have fully prepared for just by reading alone, we'll go over exactly what to do this time before we enter and make sure our WHM's will listen -.-; shits annoying I hate people who panic under stress and cause shit to go bad, thos people shouldn't even be allowed to level past 50, the screen should just go black and say "I'm sorry, please try again later.'

[Chrian]

went drg/sam sam/nin whm/blm sch/rdm or /whm can't remeber and 2xsmn/whm . We won after a few failures well into 10pm of the night a couple days ago. WE thought killing D.shantotto was the way. but we found out whm shantotto is plushy so I just angon'd the hell of out it as me the sam and the 2smns wailed on the whm one. then proceeeded to kill The D.shantotto with no wipes was like a 8min 40 second run. oh and the sch kited D.shantotto. So really killing the whm one is kinda easier as I've seen.

[lolwut]

I made the mistake of doing this in a pickup party, which turned out like pick up parties tend to turn out. Went in Whm/Smn Whm/Sch Brd/Nin Sam/Nin Drg/Nin and a gimpy Sam/Nin (fulltime askar legs, and I believe he was using a fauxgun, didn't even use af1 hat for meditate ;_.

Started the fight, Brd kiting, Whm at the door, melee in the center with D. Shantotto. Everything went smooth at first, gimpy Sam slowing down dmg but not too horrible, she starts to rage, B Shantotto join her and whm choke.

Even though we specified curebombing with aga, they only cast CureIVs and Vs, and fall behind as quickly as any reasonable mage would have expected them to. Maybe they forgot that players lose hate when they take dmg, so while they're sitting on their casting time for a single target spell, the mobs already turning and raping the next person on the hate list.

Needless to say we wipe, get back up, no one has dot'd D Shantotto and she recovers to full. No big deal, we still have 2hrs, we start over to burn her down, unloading tp and 2hr at 50%.

At least that's the plan, but gimp Sam never 2hrs, only one Whm benedictions, I meiyo and take hate, pop an Icarus wing to sekka and try and finish her off, then 1215 dmg hit, 540 dmg hit, shadow, shadow, 845 dmg and I'm dead. Whm? Still casting single target spells on the people without hate, having learned nothing of value for the first wipe. Gimp Sam dies without ever 2hring, very good Drg does his best to finish her off until the healers let him die.

I really don't get it. They didn't have to haste (we didn't live long enough for the first cast to wear), we all had meds so they didn't have to remove effects, all dd had shadows to mitigate dmg, and they had godawful mp/devotionx2/balladx2/and an unused benediction.

Yet we wipe anyway. :/ I echo Shenrien's sentiment, go with people you know aren't going to choke, or you're just wasting your time. The bc can suffer one gimp and get away with it, but if your mages fail then you'll fail.

This was nearly as depressing as timing out in my first MKD attempt, where the second blm didn't know how to kite and kept trying to rest during weakness in the middle of the bc area after each of reraiseless deaths.

/bitterness

[CubsWoo]

Does Windower still hang at the cutscenes?

[izzlet]

Secondly our WHMs reported getting hit by the nasty AoE status debuff even at max range? Were they just not standing right or do you have 1 at like 25 and 1 whm at like 5' from the melee ready to cast esuna after far whm silenas them?

It's definately possible to be out of range of AoE and still in casting range. It's better to have both WHMs out of AoE as much as possible, only reason they should be getting close is for benediction. Every time I've lost the fight has been because of WHMs who run in to cast esuna :\ Once they stood out of AoE range the fight becomes really easy.

[BerenTebogo]

Thanks much

[Talonn]

Not sure if anyone tried this yet but,

PLD Rampart through rage. According to the Rampart formula post on wikia my PLD could absorb 512 magic damage (with Hexes obv.) . Add shell V on that and I would imagine you would be fine ya?

I'm on this fight now, so I haven't had a chance to try it. Seems like Hades is a little slow on these missions.

[Corrderio]

It's definately possible to be out of range of AoE and still in casting range. It's better to have both WHMs out of AoE as much as possible, only reason they should be getting close is for benediction. Every time I've lost the fight has been because of WHMs who run in to cast esuna :\ Once they stood out of AoE range the fight becomes really easy.

Is there anything Esuna can remove that a Remedy can't? I never paid attention to what the debuffs are, all I know is I brought remedies with me so WHMs didn't need to stop Curaga spam.